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Harems pay off for Muslims (Toronto, Ontario)
The Toronto Sun ^ | Fri, February 8, 2008 | TOM GODFREY

Posted on 02/08/2008 8:05:12 AM PST by fanfan

Islamic leaders: Hundreds in GTA (Greater Toronto Area) get extra welfare for polygamous unions.

Hundreds of GTA Muslim men in polygamous marriages -- some with a harem of wives -- are receiving welfare and social benefits for each of their spouses, thanks to the city and province, Muslim leaders say.

Mumtaz Ali, president of the Canadian Society of Muslims, said wives in polygamous marriages are recognized as spouses under the Ontario Family Law Act, providing they were legally married under Muslim laws abroad.

"Polygamy is a regular part of life for many Muslims," Ali said yesterday. "Ontario recognizes religious marriages for Muslims and others."

He estimates "several hundred" GTA husbands in polygamous marriages are receiving benefits. Under Islamic law, a Muslim man is permitted to have up to four spouses.

However, city and provincial officials said legally a welfare applicant can claim only one spouse. Other adults living in the same household can apply for welfare independently.

The average recipient with a child can receive about $1,500 monthly, city officials said.

FAMILY LAW ACT

In addressing the issue of polygamous marriages, the preamble to the Ontario Family Law Act states: "In the definition of 'spouse,' a reference to marriage includes a marriage that is actually or potentially polygamous, if it was celebrated in a jurisdiction whose system of law recognizes it as valid. R.S.O. 1990, c. F.3, s. 1 (2)."

"There are many people in the community who are taking advantage of this," Ali said. "This is a law and there's nothing wrong with it."

Immigration officials said yesterday that polygamous marriages aren't allowed in Canada, but that contradicts the provincial law.

"Canada is a very liberal-minded country," Ali said. "Canada is way ahead of Britain in this respect."

He said Britain recently began permitting husbands to collect benefits for each of their wives.

The British government recently admitted that nearly a thousand men are living legally with multiple wives in Britain. Although the families are entitled to claim social security for each wife, the department for work and pensions said it has not counted how many are on benefits.

In Canada, Ali said, the man and his main wife and children enter Canada as landed immigrants. The other spouses are sponsored or arrive as visitors to join their husband to share one home.

POSSIBLE FRAUD

The families receiving benefits didn't want their identities released because it can lead to questions by authorities on how they entered Canada and can mean an end to their benefits, Ali said.

Brenda Nesbitt, the city's director of social services, said benefits are only paid to one spouse and names and addresses are cross-checked for possible fraud.

"There may be polygamous cases we are not aware off," Nesbitt said yesterday. "They can apply as single people and we won't know."

Ontario Community and Social Services spokesman Erike Botond said a social assistance benefit may only include one spouse. "Other adults residing in the same dwelling place as a recipient and their spouse may apply as individuals."

"I can assure you that polygamy is not recognized under immigration legislation," immigration spokesman Karen Shadd-Evelyn said yesterday. "A conjugal relationship, whether involving marriage or a common-law partnership, must be exclusive."

Councillor Rob Ford said taxpayers' money should be spent on education and schools instead.

"This is wrong," Ford said yesterday. "They should put a stop to this immediately."


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If I typed what I'm thinking, I'd be banned.
1 posted on 02/08/2008 8:05:15 AM PST by fanfan
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To: GMMAC; Clive; exg; kanawa; conniew; backhoe; -YYZ-; Former Proud Canadian; Squawk 8888; ...

2 posted on 02/08/2008 8:06:19 AM PST by fanfan ("We don't start fights my friends, but we finish them, and never leave until our work is done."PMSH)
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To: fanfan

Suicide.


3 posted on 02/08/2008 8:06:38 AM PST by ARE SOLE (Agents Ramos and Campean are in prison at this very moment.. (A "Concerned Citizen".)
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To: ARE SOLE

Yup.


4 posted on 02/08/2008 8:07:06 AM PST by fanfan ("We don't start fights my friends, but we finish them, and never leave until our work is done."PMSH)
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To: fanfan

Wonder what the Archbishop thinks about this. Never mind, he probably thinks it’s great.


5 posted on 02/08/2008 8:07:26 AM PST by neodad (USS Vincennes (CG 49) "Checkmate Cruiser")
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To: fanfan

Put this report with the Archbishop of Canterbury saying yesterday that sharia law in the UK is inevitable, and I have to say that Western Civilization seems bent on its own demise.


6 posted on 02/08/2008 8:07:49 AM PST by Rummyfan (Iraq: it's not about Iraq anymore, it's about the USA!)
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To: ARE SOLE

Its worse than suicide they are paying the person to kill them

For a man with 4 wifes to the tune of at least 90 thousand dollars a year..


8 posted on 02/08/2008 8:10:14 AM PST by N3WBI3 (Ah, arrogance and stupidity all in the same package. How efficient of you. -- Londo Mollari)
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To: F15Eagle

As long as you’ve married those wives in a country that allows polygamy, you can do it no matter what book you read.


9 posted on 02/08/2008 8:11:49 AM PST by fanfan ("We don't start fights my friends, but we finish them, and never leave until our work is done."PMSH)
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To: maica

Oh Canada...


10 posted on 02/08/2008 8:11:51 AM PST by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: fanfan
...wives in polygamous marriages are recognized as spouses under the Ontario Family Law Act, providing they were legally married under Muslim laws abroad.?

Stupidity carries a high price...

Canada allows this they deserve the expense.

11 posted on 02/08/2008 8:12:01 AM PST by GOPJ (Take your ball - go home - sit this one out? Fifty years of liberal Supreme Court decisions? NO WAY.)
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To: F15Eagle
So I could get a household income of perhaps several thousand dollars a month if I had 4 wives in Ontario?

No. Re-read that line- only one spouse can be claimed and that $1,500 amount is for a couple with one child. The other wives would have to claim as singles, who get ~$600 per month.

BTW $1,500 a month is nowhere near enough to live on in Toronto so it's not as generous as it sounds. I live alone and I had to budget carefully when my monthly take-home pay was $2,500.

12 posted on 02/08/2008 8:14:43 AM PST by Squawk 8888 (Is human activity causing the warming trend on Mars?)
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To: fanfan
I'm thinking this has possibilities... Especially when you consider including same-sex as well as opposite-sex people in the harem. Think about it.

A fraternity could just declair itself a harem, and...presto! No more working for a living.

Or a corporation...

(BTW--do they monitor the harem to make sure it's de facto...?)

13 posted on 02/08/2008 8:17:21 AM PST by Savage Beast ("History is not just cruel. It is witty." ~Charles Krauthammer)
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To: fanfan
"Hundreds of GTA Muslim men, (in Ontario Province), in polygamous marriages -- some with a harem of wives -- are receiving welfare and social benefits for each of their spouses, thanks to the city and province, Muslim leaders say."

It's not myself that I fear for in the future, it's my children and grandchildren. We are leaving a monumental mess for them while we revel in our wealth and "rights". Odd, isn't it, that too much wealth and too many freedoms only create chaos after awhile? Rights for homosexual perversion, rights for feminists, rights for satanic cults like Islam, rights for witchcraft, rights for anything and everything but Christianity, whose rights are quickly being eroded. The West is eating itself.

14 posted on 02/08/2008 8:18:46 AM PST by houstonman58 ("When the Son of Man returns, will there by any faith left on earth, think ye"?)
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To: Squawk 8888

Actually, the line reads $1500 per recipient with a child, so that means if each wife has one child, each spouse gets $1500.

That would work out to about $72,000 a year, for 4 wives with one child each.


15 posted on 02/08/2008 8:19:54 AM PST by fanfan ("We don't start fights my friends, but we finish them, and never leave until our work is done."PMSH)
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To: fanfan

buh-bye Canada


16 posted on 02/08/2008 8:20:19 AM PST by itches (hey George now would be a good time to win the war)
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To: fanfan
Victory through Islamic wombs!

Good thing, thanks to the left and liberals that Government are now total interference enterprises and that the notion of a limited Republic is out. That republican government is replaced by more or less pure mobocracy democracy. This way when the Islamist get to about 35 percent, they will have an established, control of all facets of Canadian life through the already established Canadian government social welfare state. It will become the Islamic social Sharia welfare state.

17 posted on 02/08/2008 8:21:03 AM PST by Leisler
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To: Squawk 8888
Sadly, Americas’ and the western worlds’ greatest days are behind us. Political correctness and multiculturalism are to blame
18 posted on 02/08/2008 8:21:19 AM PST by barneyrubble
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To: fanfan

The muslim hyper-breeding program is going to elbow us out of existence, and we’re paying for it. Is this practice legal in the USA? Does anyone down at the welfare office care, or do they just issue checks?


19 posted on 02/08/2008 8:21:33 AM PST by Veto! (Opinions freely dispensed as advice)
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To: Squawk 8888; F15Eagle

I forgot to add that they all live in one house, so that is a pretty good income.


20 posted on 02/08/2008 8:21:48 AM PST by fanfan ("We don't start fights my friends, but we finish them, and never leave until our work is done."PMSH)
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