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Where did I blame you for things I went through.

You went off on me as if I were the cause of all of your ills. You were insulting and it was unprovoked.

I went off on you because you touched on the issue of men and women. In the United States in this time, there is nothing even remotely resembling the pretense of equal treatment under the law as it relates to men vs women. And so I gave you some instances to demonstrate this point. You in your infinate wisdom decided I was blaming you for this. No, I was blaming you for making a comment that this is a situation where all things are pretty much equal, just men and women contributing to a problem. It is not equal, and even after reading my post you still think it's all about insulting you. Go ahead and think so.

I made the comments I did because you said it was pretty much a problem of men and women.

I stand by that.

I have no doubt of that.

And while I agree with that, you folks don't know why men are very leery of long term relationships.

I never made any criticism about men being leery of long-term relationships. I think you're confusing me with another poster.

What is the issue addressed in this article? It's the issue of single women and unwed mothers. When you respond that his is simply a matter of men and women with equal responsibility, you're also making the case that each is exposed to an equal amount of downside. That simply isn't the case and I brought that to your attention.

I still say that if you had to face what men do going into a marriage you'd probably opt out.

I have opted out. I'm single and happy. I wasn't going to have children without a father and Mr. Right tarried. I'm a tad picky and wasn't going to "settle" only to get into that whole divorce thing.

And I support that. And I support my comment as well.

Please tell me what you think compares to the alimony and child support network set up for women? And please remember that about 70% of the women wind up with the children.

I never supported any of that. Never even mentioned it. You just went off on me as if I had.

I 'went off on you' because you stated this is a problem of men and women. While that may seem equitable to you, it isn't to men. This is a complex issue and it is not one of equity. You don't have to buy into that line, it's simply a fact.

I will state further, that my comments in post one were overly broad. And I think you folks should have taken me to task for it.

We did. And you insulted me and made assumptions.

I don't quite understand why it is insulting to you to read what dynamics contribute to the male personna. Please list the assumptions I made. I'll address them.

Here is the statement I made that has you all tied up in knots:

Members of both genders are culpable in this unraveling of our society. It is driven by self-centered, irresponsible behavior.

Again, I stand by that. You appear to want to lay all the blame on women and portray the men as completely innocent.

It takes two to tango. These irresponsible women don't get pregnant on their own.

You took that one comment I made and went all over the place, using it as a platform to bash women, vent your frustrations about your own situation on someone who had absolutely nothing to do with it and even ended it with a snide remark, putting words in my mouth.

And now you continue to defend that behavior, without so much as a hint of an apology.

Sadly, that says a lot about you. Your problems with your ex-wife must have been all her fault. You were completely virtuous and had nothing to do with the rift, right?

Yep. OK. Right. ;-)