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A Conservative Caucus within the Republican Party, a concept - Vanity
2-7-08 | Verklaring

Posted on 02/08/2008 12:06:54 AM PST by verklaring

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To: verklaring; DoughtyOne; GeronL
Did you go to the link?

The reason they called it the "Republican Study Committee" was not because they just sit around and read books and trade clever bon mots, but as a direct response to the "Democratic Study Committee" which was the liberal caucus that brought so many of the liberal/socialists members of the Democrat party to prominence in the 70's.

The RSC has done a bunch of things. Many of its members and leaders have gone on to play bigger roles such as Tom Delay and Mike Pence.

So the RSC is exactly what you are aksing for, it has already been done, and it is doing some good.

However, congressmen are human beings who make friends with other congressmen no matter how far they differ on issues. They also have to get reelected and so they can't always afford to stand on principle all the time.

What we need is something we as regular party hacks can do and I believe I have a very good and workable idea that might have some effect on the election.

21 posted on 02/08/2008 1:19:39 AM PST by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: DoughtyOne
It’s going to take a few weeks before I even want to hear the words ‘Republican Party’ again.

That is about where I am at. I have no political agenda in raising this concept.

I would gladly go on vacation, but John McCain and his global warming Democrat buddies (plus Huckabee ) and their nonsense, intend to raise the cost of gasoline to $5.00 per gallon as a pseudo carbon tax.

22 posted on 02/08/2008 1:21:45 AM PST by verklaring (Pyrite is not gold)
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To: who_would_fardels_bear

we need to form a Committee to study this issue, and a subcommittee to study side issues on a related note. First we’ll need to see if its in the budget...


23 posted on 02/08/2008 1:22:08 AM PST by GeronL (There won't be a next time, its over folks. Turn off the lights and close the curtains.)
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To: SatinDoll

Ihave thought of this long ago, this is my position on that intelligent position.

The words politically nurtured come to mind.

What I mean, is that if McCain win the office of President on 2008 if he leads like his past demonstrates it is a simple fact that MOST REPUBLICANS WILL NOT VOTE.

Doi I think this is stupid WELL U BET I DO !

I am only stating the most likely outcome what most voters will stupidly do. Not the decision I would chose.

I call this Foresight.

McCain can not help himself. He is a liberal to his dying breath.


24 posted on 02/08/2008 1:27:31 AM PST by Court Watcher
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To: SatinDoll

Forgot to add it is not all bad news. The good news is We will make massive gains in Congress under Hillary. Just like we did in 1994 do to Bill Clinton insane policies.


25 posted on 02/08/2008 1:31:27 AM PST by Court Watcher
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To: verklaring
A suggestion as to a solution

Something I'll simply call "the right way". Good post.

26 posted on 02/08/2008 1:32:40 AM PST by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: DoughtyOne
The Republican Party can go straight to —— for all I care.

I hear you. Yesterday was a rough day for us. All we've got right now is the fact that so many of us feel exactly the same way. That's more of an indicator of problem for those who have wronged us than anything else. Now that pretty much all FReepers have had their choices eliminated from the campaign, maybe we can work on building a united front again based upon the principles hailed in this forum.

Then together, we defeat "the plan":

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27 posted on 02/08/2008 1:37:13 AM PST by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: cherry

“once you start adding or not adding social issues is when people get their undies tied in a knot.”

Correct, and that’s when the Conservative Caucus would split into as many factions as it is at the moment. Truly limited government will piss off many of the Christian voters who seem to be OK with a more intrusive government as long as those intrusions favor their agenda.
I’m not trying to be a Doom & Gloom guy, but what is becoming pretty obvious is that conservatives are not only a minority, we’re a pretty small minority. IMO the rest of American voters have moved leftward. I see some form of socialized medicine in our future. I think it’s too late to turn the clock back and reverse this. The best we can do now is to try to lessen the impact, and I’m not sure we can even do that. As a group we tend to be pretty rigid. Like another poster said we don’t do group think very well. That seems to imply that each faction will continue to happily turn its guns on the other factions when their litmus test, whatever it happens to be, isn’t met.


28 posted on 02/08/2008 1:40:18 AM PST by snarkybob (')
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To: exnavy
Good example of my point, "Another suggestion, Constitution party."

It seems to me to be isolationist and non-free trade, nontraditional Republican

29 posted on 02/08/2008 1:42:29 AM PST by verklaring (Pyrite is not gold)
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To: verklaring

I’d strongly support such a concept. The biggest enemy of conservatism is a lack of a truly unified voice within the Republican OR Democrat Parties.

The old largely conservative Southern Democrats are still out there, but much like us conservatives in the GOP, their voice is either muted or drowned out by the valueless moderates and and diehard socialist/liberals.

Conservatism needs to that that three-legged stool and unify those legs in to one strong-willed, solidly anchored, and unshakably confident force within BOTH parties. Conservatism should not be merely a Repubican goal, it should be a Democrat goal as well. If we conservatives are going to set our sights on a goal, if we are going to stand tall, lets set our sights on both parties - not just one. I knind of look at this as the Bush Doctrine for domestic policy - we need to be looking at developing policies that have a view of 10 to 20 years down the road - just as many successful companies do...long range planning and working towards specific result-oriented goals is going the be the only way we can return consrvatism as THE dominant force in political and policy development. This is not a immediate fix to our problems, but it is a framework on which a real victory against liberalism can be achieved.


30 posted on 02/08/2008 2:05:45 AM PST by GLH3IL (This so called 're-deployment' is really a vote catching program. General Patton - 1944)
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To: DoughtyOne

BRAVO, BRAVO


31 posted on 02/08/2008 2:24:31 AM PST by tiger-one (The night has a thousand eyes)
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To: GLH3IL
...just as many successful companies do...long range planning and working towards specific result-oriented goals is going the be the only way we can return conservatism as THE dominant force in political and policy development. This is not a immediate fix to our problems, but it is a framework on which a real victory against liberalism can be achieved.

The biggest enemy of conservatism is a lack of a truly unified voice within the Republican OR Democrat Parties.

This is the problem: a long term view ( Islamists think in centuries, Marxists in decades) and "a unified voice."

The problem is that for them: Dar-Al Islam ( the international Caliphate) or the Socialist utopia is a religion.

We just want to: work, provide for our families, send our kids to school, retire with dignity and worship according to conscience. We do not have a personal agenda, except perhaps to have the government stay out of our hair.

That simple freedom is one which has to be fought for on the battle field, and as much, one that has to be fought for, politically, simply to maintain what we have and pass its privileges on to the next generation.

32 posted on 02/08/2008 2:26:37 AM PST by verklaring (Pyrite is not gold)
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To: verklaring

The Republican party needs to throw us conservatives a bone for since Ronald Reagan left office they have done nothing but taken our votes and treated us like the Dems treat blacks.
Kiss our butts around election time and then shove us to the back of the bus.


33 posted on 02/08/2008 3:41:40 AM PST by Joe Boucher (An enemy of Islam)
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To: DoughtyOne
What is your alternative? Verklaring has offered a possible solution to our problem, only to be met with the now tired “I’m staying home” mantra.

I didn’t get what I want, either. That doesn’t mean I can just sit by and pout while HClinton/Clinton and Barry Obsama take over this country. The going is tough, but when the going gets tough, the tough....get out and vote!

34 posted on 02/08/2008 4:33:36 AM PST by ishabibble (ALL-AMERICAN INFIDEL)
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To: verklaring
Permit me to make a suggestion in regard to your classification method, in the first two lines of your first paragraph.

"....movement......to form a new alliance"

The movement is Cultural Elitism and it is made up educators, lawyers, media, entertainers, counter-culture, etc.

Sometimes the cultural elitists are called cultural marxists. Agnew called them effete snobs. Bork described them as those who make their living off of words and language.

"In 1968-9"

The 1968 democratic convention in Chicago when they rioted in the streets and on the floor of the convention.

35 posted on 02/08/2008 5:09:17 AM PST by Ben Ficklin
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To: verklaring

Not a bad idea. I just think the fragmentation of conservatives into different interest groups would result in another bickering, back-stabbing party like the rat party, which is currently destroying itself. Then again, we have that now.


36 posted on 02/08/2008 5:36:51 AM PST by sergeantdave (Governments hate armed citizens more than armed criminals)
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To: Ben Ficklin
The 1968 democratic convention in Chicago when they rioted in the streets and on the floor of the convention.

What I was referring to took place after the 1968 convention, in the winter. I think it was also after the election. It was a long time ago.

37 posted on 02/08/2008 8:19:43 AM PST by verklaring (Pyrite is not gold)
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To: verklaring

Been there, done that..... Newt did it and did it well.

It needs to be done again, but alas there is no leader with the vision and stature to implement the plan.

We can only hope that out of the shambles of the present congress a conservative leader will rise up and take the AEGIS mantle to do battle.


38 posted on 02/08/2008 8:23:13 AM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . Once an Eagle...... always an Eagle)
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To: who_would_fardels_bear

Sorry, should have followed the link.

The Republican Study committee is the kind of thing I have in mind, but it is only in the House of Representatives.


39 posted on 02/08/2008 8:24:28 AM PST by verklaring (Pyrite is not gold)
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To: who_would_fardels_bear

Sorry, should have followed the link.

The Republican Study committee is the kind of thing I have in mind, but it is only in the House of Representatives.


40 posted on 02/08/2008 8:24:37 AM PST by verklaring (Pyrite is not gold)
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