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1 posted on 02/07/2008 5:59:00 AM PST by NYer
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2 posted on 02/07/2008 6:00:05 AM PST by NYer ("Where the bishop is present, there is the Catholic Church" - Ignatius of Antioch)
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3 posted on 02/07/2008 6:00:46 AM PST by narses (...the spirit of Trent is abroad once more.)
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Let’s just require that all kids take courses in S&M, beastiality, cross-dressing, and fetishes and be done with it.


4 posted on 02/07/2008 6:01:58 AM PST by Always Right (Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?)
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Did I miss something or did this article leave out the most important part of the ruling?

IT IS NOT REQUIRED THAT THE SCHOOL NOTIFY THE PARENTS THAT THIS INFORMATION WILL BE TAUGHT IN ORDER TO ALLOW THEM TO OPT OUT.


5 posted on 02/07/2008 6:02:01 AM PST by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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Judge: Teaching Erotic Sex and that Homosexuality is Inborn to 8th and 10th Graders is OK

However, don't even THINK about talking about God.

6 posted on 02/07/2008 6:02:34 AM PST by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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I’ll bet the judge’s hard-drive has something interesting stuff on it.


7 posted on 02/07/2008 6:05:51 AM PST by isom35
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Just so long as we keep the 10 Commandments and the idea of a Creator out of the schools, everything will be fine. (sarcasm off)


8 posted on 02/07/2008 6:10:10 AM PST by SoFloFreeper
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A widely attended session of “rimming” was held in the judge’s quarters after the ruling. /sarcasm


9 posted on 02/07/2008 6:11:21 AM PST by <1/1,000,000th%
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I suppose I've never questioned that the propensity to BE homosexual may in some cases be genetically determined. BUT by that same argument, the propensity to be an alcoholic may also be a genetic predisposition. HOWEVER in NEITHER case should society condone the expression of either predisposition.
In other words, if engaging in homosexual sex is OK because the propensity is genetically predetermined then we MUST revoke drunk driving laws because alcoholism is also genetically predetermined.
A rambling way to say simply that whatever the URGING we have to do things that are inappropriate, the behavior is STILL inappropriate.
10 posted on 02/07/2008 6:13:27 AM PST by KenD
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It is a behavior, a learned behavior................p>
12 posted on 02/07/2008 6:18:57 AM PST by PeterPrinciple ( Seeking the truth here folks.)
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We don’t even teach this garbage in Socialist Sweden. Sure, they’ll have some embarrased home-ec teacher showing us how to put on a condom when we’re in 11th or 12th grade (accompanied by much snickering and giggling) along with a “this is how babies are made” lecture by a stuttering biology teacher.

Of course, there is the obvious “there is nothing wrong with beeing homosexual” teaching which I think most people have no problem agreeing to, but it’s not as intrusive and “preaching” (for lack of better word) that I get the impression it is in US public schools. For an observer, it seems that public schools in the US tries to recruit kids to become gays, rather than trying to teach kids to be tolerant and understanding towards eachother.


14 posted on 02/07/2008 6:29:29 AM PST by SwedishConservative
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In fact, not one U.S. court presented with the issue has found homosexuality to be an innate characteristic.

And the courts' expertise in this area is ...???

We're all in the Twilight Zone now.

15 posted on 02/07/2008 6:31:43 AM PST by Tax-chick ("Political zombies need brains, but they hunger only for taxes." ~ NicknamedBob)
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Is this judge nuts or what? Why don’t the parents just yank their kids out and yank him off the bench.


16 posted on 02/07/2008 6:39:24 AM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote.)
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>That sexual orientation is innate, namely, homosexuals are ‘born that way,’ is a theory that has been rejected by courts in several states including Maryland. Maryland’s highest appellate court issued an opinion in a 2007 civil union case, holding that the proposition that homosexuality is innate is not supported by credible evidence

That statement is not accurate. The court found that the theory of an immutable characteristic is not generally accepted:

* In the absence of some generally accepted scientific conclusion identifying homosexuality as an immutable characteristic

* We note only that there does not appear to be a consensus yet among “experts” as to the origin of an individual’s sexual orientation.

So right now, it’s a theory.


17 posted on 02/07/2008 6:41:27 AM PST by tortdog
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If schools want to do this, the state's should at least come together and say that such a school is now a private school no longer funded by public money or public property taxes. Curriculums such as these are SO FAR away from teaching just the basics: Reading, Writing, Math, Science and History. Where does it say that Education Institutions have the right to teach any social topic that THEY deem appropriate?

Anal sex to 8th graders? My kid would be out of that school system the day after this curriculum was approved.
18 posted on 02/07/2008 6:57:23 AM PST by Eagle of Liberty (Ownership, Individuality, Freedom, Responsibility - The Backbone of Conservatism)
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as well as that homosexuality is inborn, even though in 2007 Maryland’s highest appellate court ruled there is no scientific basis for such a conclusion.

The controversial new curriculum was adopted as a result of pressure by homosexual advocacy groups.

What if it was discovered to be an inborn characteristic?

What if it could be tested for before birth? Would it necessarily be celebrated by parents, with relatives buying little pink outfits for the new gay baby? Or would it be treated like people treat Down's syndrome (a truly inborn characteristic), where they have the legal option to abort and try again?

Imagine how quickly the homosexual lobby would switch to pro-life if abortion was seen as an option to ensure heterosexual children. Or would they become like feminists who are pro-abortion except when dealing with sex selection abortion - it is a woman's choice what happens to her body except when that choice is to choose only a boy.

Perhaps it would be something like spina bifida - treatable after birth, and perhaps preventable before birth through the use of vitamins and proper nutrition.

The homosexual lobby dances a fine line between inborn characteristic and lifestyle choice. If either one is found to be absolutely true, then treatment options becomes the next discussion point - one they don't want available.

21 posted on 02/07/2008 7:13:49 AM PST by KarlInOhio (Rattenschadenfreude: joy at a Democrat's pain, especially Hillary's pain caused by Obama.)
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25 posted on 02/07/2008 7:35:53 AM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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Apparently, this is not this judge’s first adventure in the brave new world of dumping moral traditions, as in this case where he made sure that Tommy has two daddies:

Karl Hedberg got custody of his son in 2002 in a divorce in Alexandria, Virginia. But the judge conditioned it on his same sex partner moving out.

The couple sold their house in Virginia and moved to separate apartments in Maryland, a state that is considered to be more gay friendly than the Commonwealth of Virginia.

In 2004 Virginia was no longer the state with continuing exclusive jurisdiction because both parents and the child no longer lived there. Hedberg petitioned the Maryland Court to modify his Virginia custody order because of changed circumstances. The judge denied his request. But the Maryland Court of Special Appeals overturned that decision.

Hedberg was able to present evidence that a one parent home was not in the best interests of his son, now 12 years old, and Judge William J. Rowan III of the Montgomery County Circuit Court agreed. On Monday, he removed the ban from the custody order.


32 posted on 02/07/2008 8:22:05 AM PST by JewishRighter (Why, oh Why can't it be Hunter???)
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Well, I'm learning a lot here, but these kids seem too young. What ever happened to math class?

I'm typing this with a blush, but I didn't know people used condoms during oral sex. I guess I'm old fashioned.

33 posted on 02/07/2008 8:25:25 AM PST by purpleraine
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The judge is mentally ill - with Liberalism.

As to the nature of Homosexuality, I think in some cases in is inborn and in other cases it is societal or cultural.


41 posted on 02/07/2008 9:31:24 AM PST by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts and guns made America great.)
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