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CA: Defeat of Prop. 93 will mean wholesale leadership changes (34 seats in play, sort of)
AP on Bakersfield Californian ^ | 2/6/08 | Steve Lawrence - ap

Posted on 02/06/2008 6:32:49 PM PST by NormsRevenge

California voters' refusal to alter state legislators' term limits will force three of the Legislature's top leaders to give up their posts.

It also will free candidates running for 34 legislative seats from having to face an incumbent this year.

Proposition 93 aimed to trim two years off the maximum amount of time most legislators could serve, but it also would have given dozens of lawmakers a chance to extend their stays in Sacramento.

It failed by about 7 percentage points, despite support from Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger and a who's who of labor unions, corporations and professional groups that poured nearly $16 million into the Yes-on-93 campaign.

Opponents raised more than $7 million, fueled primarily by $2.5 million from state Insurance Commissioner Steve Poizner and $2 million from the prison guards' union.

Defeat of the initiative means that Assembly Speaker Fabian Nunez, D-Los Angeles, Senate President Pro Tem Don Perata, D-Oakland, Senate Minority Leader Dick Ackerman, R-Tustin, and 31 other incumbents will be barred from running for re-election this year.

Schwarzenegger blamed the defeat on lawmakers' failure to accomplish much last year.

"I think it's very clear that the people felt the legislators have not performed well enough (to) deserve a change there," he said.

Poizner said voters didn't like the fact that the measure helped some incumbents remain in office longer.

"Do not send us initiatives that are full of complex and convoluted language that is intended to deceive voters," he said. "Do not send us propositions that contain these special loopholes just for incumbent politicians."

Perata said the measure was likely doomed from the outset because it protected incumbents and didn't change the way legislative districts are drawn.

"I think it was pretty clear what the voters wanted, and they weren't given it," Perata said. "If you wanted to say it was flawed, you sure gave everybody a reason for it."

He criticized Schwarzenegger for giving the measure minimal support and for blaming lawmakers even as he seeks their cooperation in addressing the state's massive budget deficit.

"'We're all in this together,' until he's giving a speech," Perata said. "I want to work together with him, but every time I think we get some kind of approachment, some agreement, I end up reading in the paper that I'm getting the back of the hand. It's just not constructive."

California's current term limits, among the toughest in the nation, allow someone to serve up to six years in the Assembly and eight years in the Senate in most instances - a total of 14.

Proposition 93 would have cut the maximum time to 12 years but given legislators the option of serving all 12 in one house instead of trying to split time between the two.

Pre-election polls showed voters supporting those changes but balking at a transition phase provision that would have allowed nearly a third of current lawmakers to serve longer than 14 years.

The proposal made that possible because it would have only counted the time a lawmaker had spent in his or her current house against the new 12-year limit.

Supporters said the measure would keep reasonable term limits in place while easing the exodus of experienced lawmakers and the musical-chairs atmosphere that exists every two years as termed-out lawmakers maneuver to run for other offices.

Opponents attacked the proposition as an attempt by incumbents to extend their terms. They argued that most legislators would serve longer under the measure because it would eliminate the need to run for a seat in the other house to serve more than six or eight years.

Nunez and Perata have the option of running for seats in the other house, although Nunez would have to wait until 2010 for a Senate seat to open up. But Ackerman's legislative career is coming to an end.

Perata and Ackerman blamed the proposition's defeat on the failure of lawmakers to put a measure on the same ballot taking away their ability to draw their districts, a power critics labeled a conflict of interest.

"If you want to try to solve the gridlock issue in Sacramento you need (redistricting) and term limit modification, not just one," said Ackerman, who opposed Proposition 93. "We thought if we had the total package ... we could get it through."

Ackerman said Sens. Dave Cogdill, R-Modesto, Dennis Hollingsworth, R-Temecula, and George Runner, R-Lancaster, are potential candidates to succeed him as minority leader.

Sen. Darrell Steinberg, D-Sacramento, said Wednesday that he's a candidate for Perata's job, the most powerful in the Senate. Sen. Alex Padilla, D-Los Angeles, said he is seriously considering running too.

Several lawmakers are reportedly interested in succeeding Nunez, including Assemblywomen Karen Bass, D-Los Angeles, and Fiona Ma, D-San Francisco.

If one of them wins the post, she would be only the second woman elected speaker.

Ackerman said he had no timeline in mind for Senate Republicans to elect his successor. Perata scheduled an Aug. 21 vote for majority Democrats to select a new president pro tempore before adjourning the 2008 session. But Perata said the new leader would not take power until after the November election.

A spokesman for Nunez, Steve Maviglio, said the speaker planned to meet with his caucus Thursday and that a transition could be one of the topics.


TOPICS: Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: california; calinitiatives; changes; leadership; nunez; perata; peratagate; prop93
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To: NormsRevenge
Defeat of the initiative means that Assembly Speaker Fabian Nunez, D-Los Angeles, Senate President Pro Tem Don Perata, D-Oakland,... will be barred from running for re-election this year.


Sorry, I just love reading that!

21 posted on 02/06/2008 7:39:22 PM PST by SmithL (My tagline dropped out)
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To: calcowgirl
Senator Tom McClintock will have to retire this year,
because Prop 93 did not pass. Our district may also lose
Senator Ashburn and Assemblymember Bill Maze.
I think you might agree, this is horrible news.
22 posted on 02/06/2008 7:48:40 PM PST by Walkenfree ("Aspire to Inspire before you expire")
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To: Walkenfree

Good. Her can run for Governor again. It’s about time he got a promotion.


23 posted on 02/06/2008 7:49:58 PM PST by ROTB (Front Runner=rich guy who doesn't hate evil and strives to offend no one, & WILL SELL YOU OUT.)
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To: NormsRevenge

>Assembly Speaker Fabian Nunez, D-Los Angeles

Buh-bye.


24 posted on 02/06/2008 7:50:24 PM PST by ROTB (Front Runner=rich guy who doesn't hate evil and strives to offend no one, & WILL SELL YOU OUT.)
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To: NormsRevenge

Hey Arnold....your buddies? They won’t be back.


25 posted on 02/06/2008 7:50:53 PM PST by denydenydeny (Expel the priest and you don't inaugurate the age of reason, you get the witch doctor--Paul Johnson)
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To: SmithL
PeRATagate .. I look forward to the perp walk too. 8-)
26 posted on 02/06/2008 7:57:10 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed ... ICE’s toll-free tip hotline —1-866-DHS-2-ICE ... 9/11 .. Never FoRGeT)
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To: Walkenfree

I think you might agree, this is horrible news.

Yes, I agree also.


27 posted on 02/06/2008 7:58:16 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed ... ICE’s toll-free tip hotline —1-866-DHS-2-ICE ... 9/11 .. Never FoRGeT)
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To: Walkenfree
No politician - no matter how loved or powerful, should have a lifetime lock on Public Office...

In Politics, as in the Military and tightly managed Corporations - move up, or move out — don’t consider your position as a lifetime slot.

Politics in America has become a “family business” with rights of survivorship.
It hasn’t served us well.....In fact it has saddled us with a large number of x$$holes.

Term Limits has become a necessity...
The lack of it has permitted the likes of Senators Byrd, Biden, Kennedy and Inouye to remain in office though the pork barrel distribution of OUR money to their electorate...

Can ANYONE name a sufficient number of ACCOMPLISHMENTS of those miscreants to justify their OVER 35 years in the Senate?????

28 posted on 02/06/2008 9:09:16 PM PST by river rat (Semper Fi - You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: AdmSmith; Berosus; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Fred Nerks; george76; ...

[singing] Ah low ha oh way, ah low ha oh way...


29 posted on 02/06/2008 9:12:48 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__________________Profile updated Wednesday, January 16, 2008)
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To: NormsRevenge
Good riddance !
30 posted on 02/06/2008 9:22:48 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: NormsRevenge

it is all about turning california over to mexico.


31 posted on 02/06/2008 9:24:03 PM PST by television is just wrong
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To: river rat
“Can anyone justify term limits”?

Well sure that’s another viewpoint, the 35 years
of which you speak for ‘Aoles’, seems to be the voters reelected them. Will that still be an option in California?

32 posted on 02/06/2008 9:37:34 PM PST by Walkenfree ("Aspire to Inspire before you expire")
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To: Walkenfree

I didn’t ask for a justification for Term Limits.....
I simply asked if anyone could provide a RECORD to justify the 35 year “term” in the Senate..

EVERY State demonstrates the ignorance to reelect a’holes, so long as that a’hole promises to take from my pocket and put in their pocket.......

The only protection the Republic has is TERM LIMITS.....

I doubt our Founding Fathers ever dreamed that such feckless imbeciles would serve in the Senate - nor for as long as too many have served....


33 posted on 02/06/2008 10:23:36 PM PST by river rat (Semper Fi - You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: NormsRevenge

Some good people being termed out (Tom McClintock comes to mind), but lots of leftist scum bags, too. Unfortunately, with the rigged districts, I suspect most of them will be replaced by other scumbags.


34 posted on 02/07/2008 6:50:22 AM PST by jrp
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To: NormsRevenge
Californians love their term limits. They would agree to tighten it more but rejected the sweetener Fabian Nunez and Don Perata inserted to lengthen their own stay in office. People think politicians spend too much time take care of their own needs and too little of it looking after the state's welfare. That was the message sent with the defeat of Proposition 93 on Tuesday.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

35 posted on 02/07/2008 8:12:30 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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