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To: LexBaird

You disregarded a slew of reasons, and focused on only one.

The trinitarian belief is Biblican, not Nicean. The NT is full of Christ’s references to Father, Son and Spirit unity.

Matter of fact, there’s ample OT support as well, especially in the use and understanding of “ehad.”

It’s not a matter of man’s perogative, which was behind the evils such as the Protestat-Catholic killings. It’s a matter of Biblical Supremacy, which again Mormon’s don’t fully accept.

You can’t accept Christ as your savior if you reject His nature.

The issue isn’t faith in Christ, it’s a rejection of the true nature of Christ. You can’t re-invent Him in a more desired image and then accept Him.

And...to the point of this thread...if Mormons see themselves as equal with other Christians, how do you explain the disparity in the voting in Utah? Non-Mormons are supporting Romney in MUCH larger percentages than it appears Mormons are supporting Christian candidates.


134 posted on 02/08/2008 11:19:33 AM PST by Deut28 (Cursed be he who perverts the justice)
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To: Deut28
The trinitarian belief is Biblican, not Nicean. The NT is full of Christ’s references to Father, Son and Spirit unity.

Trinitarian belief is a biblical interpretation, codified at Nicea. It is not explicit in the NT, and there are also incidences where the Trinity is clearly depicted as separate, such as at Christ's baptism.

So it is not really biblical supremacy you argue, but a particular interpretation of the Bible's message. For hundreds of years after the crucifixion, the Divine nature was argued, by those much closer to the events than we are. Were the early Church members who did not hold to Trinitarianism not Christian? Did they "reject His nature" or did they just sincerely believe it was not as the other Christian factions believed, and that their understanding of His nature was more pure?

Non-Mormons are supporting Romney in MUCH larger percentages than it appears Mormons are supporting Christian candidates.

Again, you impose your worldview on the Mormons. As they see it, ALL the candidates are Christian. And, it's not as if the population of Utah doesn't have a long history of supporting non-Mormon republicans. They are the "reddest" state in the Union. Perot got more votes than Clinton in Utah.

Why the disparity? Because Romney was a well-known person in the state, due to his involvement in the highly successful SLC winter Olympics and his religion was a benefit instead of a unknown scary negative. Because Huckabee had made disparaging remarks hostile to the main faith of the voters, and so negated his main moral appeal. Because McCain is a superannuated fence jumping "maverick". Why the disparity here on FR, given the choice between those three? It would seem Utah was more in sync with FR on Feb 5 than the South was.

I’m a Christian. So I ask you, am I a Mormon?

Do you define your Christianity in terms of your personal relationship to Christ, or in terms of your membership in some organization?

To put it another way, there are lots of Mormons, Catholics and Protestants, etc., who are Christians, and there are also quite a few in those groups who are not, though they wear the seeming. Christ knows who believes, and has said that all who believe are to be saved. I don't think he expects mere men to understand His nature in order to make the cut, or we should all surely fail.

136 posted on 02/11/2008 7:19:50 AM PST by LexBaird (Behold, thou hast drinken of the Aide of Kool, and are lost unto Men.)
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