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Fred & Duncan Stalwarts-I salute you! (VANITY)
self ^ | 02/06/2008 | papasmurf

Posted on 02/05/2008 10:26:48 PM PST by papasmurf

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To: papasmurf

Just bought a T-shirt and bumper sticker saying, “Don’t blame me - I voted for Fred”

Oh well. Looks like I’ll vote straight Republican this November...except for President.


161 posted on 02/06/2008 2:14:09 PM PST by Mr Rogers (Hillary/Obama - the enema Republicans need!)
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To: Fred

Drat you. You made me cry again.


162 posted on 02/06/2008 2:15:10 PM PST by Politicalmom (Don't blame me. I voted for FRED!! I'm a refugee from the GOP.)
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To: krb


The defeated Gipper with the Love of his life, Nancy, on their way home after the Convention, 1976
163 posted on 02/06/2008 2:16:22 PM PST by papasmurf
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To: daylilly
“I think right now Romney probably -- as the campaign has coalesced and as the campaign has progressing on down the highway -- I think the one candidate of the three still out there on our side … in saying who more closely embodies all three legs of this conservative stool, you'd have to say that it's Mitt Romney. There's actually no choice in the matter. It certainly isn't Senator McCain."
Rush Limbaugh
164 posted on 02/06/2008 2:18:17 PM PST by W04Man (DON'T BLAME ME, I was With Fred http://Vets4Fred.net NOW I'M FOR MITT)
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To: Mr Rogers

Who’s selling online, do you know?


165 posted on 02/06/2008 2:19:00 PM PST by papasmurf
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To: papasmurf

MCCAIN IS THE FRONT RUNNER, NOT THE WINNER!!!!!!

HE HAS LESS THAN HALF THE DELEGATES NEEDED TO WIN!

Huckabee won his home state by a (pardon my southern term) WHOPPING margin, while Romney barely won his home state by a 10 point margin.

Maybe some people just didn’t drink the koolaid, huh?

Who cares who wins New York, or Illinois, or the North Eastern liberal states that are DEEP BLUE, and going to vote democrap in the fall for sure anyway (barring some huge unforeseen event).

A republican president needs to win in the south to win in the fall, and people in the southern states aren’t drinking the koolaid that Rush and Sean are trying to serve, trying to pretend Romney’s a great conservative when he has been supporting abortion, supporting taxpayers funding it, campaigning on it while he’s in a blue state, then tries to to tell us he’s just started thinking about it, and changed his mind now, but his kids are great, and his hair is great, so we should vote for him.

I hope that Mitt’s conversionS are real, and if he’s the nominee, I’d take a chance on him instead of the Dems, but some of us are realistic enough to be a LITTLE skeptical that after years of supporting abortion, taxpayer funded abortion, the Brady Bill and other gun control, homosexual issues, gay judges, that he’s all of sudden conservative on ALL those issues.

Huckabee - reliably pro-life, not recently pro-life.

Huckabee - reliably pro 2nd amendment, not recently 2nd amendment.
He understands that it is for self defense, not just hunting and sports.

Every vote for Mike Huckabee from now on will be one more vote to show the establishment and the media that the election can’t be bought and we don’t have to settle for their opinion of “that’s the best we can get”.

I love Rush and Sean, but they don’t get to decide who I vote for.

If DUNCAN HUNTER believes Huckabee can be trusted on border/immigration and WOT issues, I would trust Duncan Hunter’s informed, educated judgment after he spent a year getting to know the candidates, more than I would trust the opinion of any of the haters on here.

Huckabee got over 60% of the vote in his home state, 2nd place was only 20% but Romney only won his home state by 51% to McCain’s 41%, and McCain got LESS than 50% in his home state.

So if you have been paying any attention to the posters on here claiming to be Arkansas republicans who claim he couldn’t even win his own state, take a deep breath, and look at the numbers. T H R E E times as many votes, and the other guys barely won their states. He won, BIG, compared to the other people they are telling us would be the winners.

If it had been a 2 - man race (McCain and Huckabee), if Rush and Sean had supported the REAL conservative instead of the ‘Conservative if Convenient’ Huckabee would have WON Missouri’s 58 winner take all delegates.

McCain won over Huckabee by 1% because some people either believed Romney’s new position “I’m conservative pro-life and support gun rights”, or were skeptical about his recent conversions, but didn’t think Huckabee could win, because that’s what ‘the media’ kept telling them.

So my question is, when are Rush and Sean going to say, “Oh, we’re sorry folks for telling you that Romney’s a conservative, and Huckabee couldn’t win - sorry if we cost Huckabee that one percent in Missouri and gave those 58 winner take all delegates to McCain. Sorry about that, sorry it’s our fault if McCain’s going to be the nominee.”

Think they’ll take responsibility and apologize?

I’m not holding my breath.

But it still isn’t too late - if Romney drops out now, Huckabee would beat McCain in every state that is left.

Pointing out that Romney has spent ten times as much money to accumulate a few more delegates in states that don’t matter anyway, is not being envious, or using class warfare, or an attack on anybody.

In accounting and business, it’s called ‘return on investment’, in real life, it’s called common sense, in elections, it’s called trying to save our country.

A VOTE FOR HUCKABEE IS A VOTE AGAINST MCCAIN!!

HUCKABEE / HUNTER ‘08


166 posted on 02/06/2008 2:37:22 PM PST by redinIllinois (Pro-life, accountant, gun-totin' grandma - multi issue voter)
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To: redinIllinois

Don’t know where you got your numbers from, but McManiac has 687 to Romney’s 244 to Huckabee’s 187.

A few more? LOL

Huck’s positioning himself, that’s all.

Besides, it doesn’t matter. None of the “leftovers” can be the DUmmies.


167 posted on 02/06/2008 3:28:41 PM PST by papasmurf (This space left intentionally blank)
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To: papasmurf

We’re actually in the unthinkable situation where we MUST stop the GOP nominee from winning to save the party. I feel like a character at the end of a ‘SAW’ movie with what’s unfolded here. The handwriting was on the wall the moment Fred finished 3rd in SC. We didn’t want to accept it and some transferred their hope to Mitt, but that was an empty vessel in which to place their desperate hope. Mitt is no better than the rest of the jokers who are running. But now, we’re in a position where the nominee is going to be so bad that the only choice is to actively work against him...it’s so sad, considering the pathetic lines of attack that they used against Fred.

He ‘just didn’t have the fire in the belly’, he ‘looked too old’, he didn’t wear a blue tie instead of a red tie. His suit was crooked. Those were the criticisms and this is what we ended up with.

I blame a lot of people, both in the conservative media and here at FR. A lot of people who tried and succeeded in tearing down Fred to benefit an inferior candidate like Romney, McCain, Huckabee. A number of the Hunter supporters deserve blame too. I blame Fred for a few mistakes too, but the lion’s share of the blame goes to guys like Hewitt, a few Freepers and even Rush and Sean. They all played this very badly and now the country will pay the price.


168 posted on 02/06/2008 4:38:33 PM PST by perfect_rovian_storm (Careful guys, someone spiked the Mitt KoolAid.)
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To: papasmurf

Fred08...

http://www.officialfred08store.com/eshop/10browse.asp?Category=Apparel


169 posted on 02/06/2008 4:56:42 PM PST by Mr Rogers (Hillary/Obama - the enema Republicans need!)
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To: perfect_rovian_storm

..and he cleared his throat too much and said “ah” and “um”.

Yes, McCain is soooo much better. **bleeech**


170 posted on 02/06/2008 5:36:59 PM PST by Shelayne (I'm STILL with Fred.)
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To: papasmurf

I miss Fred!!! :o(


171 posted on 02/06/2008 6:05:58 PM PST by murron (Proud Marine Mom)
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To: Shelayne

Yeah, in the field comprised of the gutless flip flopper, the unabashed liberal, the socialist pastor who raised taxes ‘for the children’ and the crazy old man, it’s a good thing we got rid of the guy who said ‘uh’ too much.


172 posted on 02/06/2008 6:53:30 PM PST by perfect_rovian_storm (Careful guys, someone spiked the Mitt KoolAid.)
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To: ERJCaptain

ERJCaptain wrote: “Fred Thompson betrayed conservatives... by not endorsing Mitt Romney... Many of you should be ashamed.”

Get over yourself! So you think Fred should have endorsed the guy whose minions put up the “Phoney Fred” website to diss Fred? You think Fred should have endorsed the guy whose supporters lied about Fred’s record on abortion to try to portray him as pro-choice? You think Fred should have endorsed the candidate whose supporters, more than those of any other candidate, tried to kneecap Fred?

You’ve got a lot of dang gaul. Fred didn’t owe Mitt Romney a blessed thing, especially his endorsement. And Fred didn’t betray anyone. Stop blaming Fred for Mitt Romney’s shortcomings!

Sheesh...


173 posted on 02/06/2008 7:20:29 PM PST by Josh Painter (First, the GOP became a big tent. As a result, it became Democrat Lite.)
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To: perfect_rovian_storm

I understand why people feel the need to play defensive politics and support someone they, otherwise, wouldn’t. I’ve done it before. I’m just not up for it anymore.

The only way out of the mess we are in would have been to get a solid Conservative with the ability to garner just enough DUmmy support to win this year. That didn’t happen for us. It’s not going to happen.

Now, with the position we are in, our best option is to let the DUmmies have it and work to make sure it’s only a one term administration, that we have made our case to the public, and we are in position to capitalize in 2012. If we let a RINO in, everything he does will be on us, and we’ll take the hit for it, and it’ll be 20 years or more before we see the inside of the WH, without taking a tour.

That would be my strategy if I were the powers that be. If I had any real dirt on either the beast or the Kenyan guy, I’d hold it until it was more useful after they were elected.

This way we could lay the ground work for their demise. The beast’s trial in Cali., Jefferson’s trial, campaign irregularities, corruption, ties to shady business deals, etc. Oh yeah, it could be a fun and sweet 4 years.

But, like I said, we stand a snowball’s chance in hell of winning this year anyway.


174 posted on 02/06/2008 8:03:48 PM PST by papasmurf (This space left intentionally blank)
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To: perfect_rovian_storm

I know.

I will get to bitter, but right now I am still sad.

OOPS...I feel a progression to totally ticked off coming...


175 posted on 02/06/2008 8:14:00 PM PST by Shelayne (I'm STILL with Fred.)
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To: papasmurf

Fox website this afternoon - they said MH 190 at the time, but my point was just that between him and Mitt, I’ve heard a lot of estimates that Mitt had spent about 10 times as much money, and sure didn’t have 10 times as many delegates.
(not even twice as many, not even close)

So at Romney’s 244 to Huckabee’s 187 = 57 more delegates, right?

It’s past my bedtime, and my brain is doing funny things, but I tried to figure out the percentage of the spread, and it looks to me like 23% inclusive, and 30% exclusive, which are the same figures generally used for the Fair Tax, which is one of the reasons I support Huckabee (accountant’s for Fair Tax!!)

That would be a really fascinating coincidence, if my mind isn’t playing tricks on me.

1% higher makes both numbers a little too high.

But my original point was that southern conservatives don’t want to buy what Mitt is trying to sell.

People said Huckabee couldn’t even get 10%, couldn’t possibly win Iowa, couldn’t possibly do it again, couldn’t win any states yesterday. He won five yesterday, and was ahead in Missouri for hours, until McCain finally caught up, then crept past him by one point.

So now when they say he couldn’t possibly win the nomination, I’m not buying that either.

It’s just a daydream of mine, but if Hunter would be the VP, would you believe his intentions are to do the right thing on the border?


176 posted on 02/06/2008 9:06:16 PM PST by redinIllinois (Pro-life, accountant, gun-totin' grandma - multi issue voter)
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To: papasmurf

Courage and integrity are fine. However the inability to pick your battles with the big picture and future in mind has brought us to John McCain.

BTW, I still have my Fred 08 sticker on the car, am deeply saddened at Romney’s departure today.

Now, we must defeat Hillary and Obama.


177 posted on 02/07/2008 12:24:48 PM PST by oneamericanvoice (Support freedom! Support the troops! Surrender is not an option!)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

McCain will pick Huckabee as his VP. This plan seems most evident in the outcome of WV.

Your statment of non-support for our nominee speaks to not realizing that you are voting for Hillary or Obama by doing so. Hopefully you will reconsider who the real enemy is, and that we have hard work ahead in the years to come. Are you up for it?


178 posted on 02/07/2008 12:29:35 PM PST by oneamericanvoice (Support freedom! Support the troops! Surrender is not an option!)
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To: pissant

The Constitution Party is not viable at this time.


179 posted on 02/07/2008 12:30:33 PM PST by oneamericanvoice (Support freedom! Support the troops! Surrender is not an option!)
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To: papasmurf

i voted for Fred in the primary in NH which seems like forever ago at this stage.
i will now grudgingly vote for McCain over the Hill/Bama trainwreck that is going to ruin this great nation.


180 posted on 02/07/2008 12:32:11 PM PST by DM1
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