Posted on 02/04/2008 11:58:38 AM PST by connell
A few days ago, an article came to our attention claiming that there was evidence that John McCain collaborated with the communists during his captivity. The article was detailed and specific...and it appears to have been a complete fabrication and libel.
When the article came to our attention, we noted that it was terrible, be it were true or not. A terrible slur if untrue, and obviously nightmarishly terrible if it were true. We would not believe something like this a priori, and any a posteriori belief would be predicated on there being TONS of corroboration. We noted that it is not normally our style to even mention these sorts of things without that level of corroboration, but that in a situation of such importance, we hoped that by making a brief post on it, we could receive information (hopefully) debunking it or (please God no!) supporting it. In fact, we specifically requested that we be contacted with such information.
A reader, friend, and colleague just contacted us with information mercifully debunking the article. It is not a direct, point-for-point refutation, but it is from one of McCain's fellow prisoners, and by God, that is good enough.
Of the top-tier GOP candidates, McCain has not been---as is well-known to many of you---my first choice. But Wheeler's article has no place in civilized discourse. It is a slur on an American hero, and while we may take issue with his positions or even his temperament as regards his candidacy, we cannot allow slurs of American heros to go unchallenged. For reasons of temperament and issues, I urge a vote for Mitt Romney tomorrow. For reasons of patriotism and decency, I urge you all to spread the word that Dr. Wheeler's article is a pack of lies.
In our post on this, we also said that if this article were untrue, its author, Dr. Jack Wheeler, should be shunned from public discourse. Well, it's untrue.
Unless he has a damn good explanation for why he wrote this...or he is completely and abjectly apologetic, he really should never be taken seriously ever again.
Here is the article by JAMES H. WARNER, McCain's fellow P.O.W.:
Recently, I have seen several allegations that condemn Senator John McCain for his behavior as a prisoner of war. I believe that these allegations are false. I am in a better position than the Senator’s accusers to know the truth since I was a prisoner with him, having been captured a little over a month before him. I have contacted hundreds of my comrades on our e-mail list and not one of them can confirm anything that has been alleged against McCain. Let me tell you what they have told me and what I saw myself, and answer some of the charges.
First, I should say that I have great respect for Senator McCain, even though I am at odds with him on many issues and have remained distant from his campaign. I say this up front because I think that a defense mounted by one of his supporters would be less credible.
The first allegation is that the Soviets directed our interrogations and that John McCain gave up valuable intelligence during his interrogations. We doubt this. The Communists were not very skilled at keeping secrets from us and to my knowledge only one man saw someone whom he could identify as a Russian in any camp – a female “journalist’ who claimed to have been wounded as a tank commander in WWII. When the prisoner she was interviewing demanded that she show him her scars she knocked him off of his stool.
Everyone, when interrogated under torture, lied to the interrogators. Surely Soviet intelligence knew, as should any intelligent being, that there are no swimming pools on the decks of American aircraft carriers. Yet this lie was told and believed. One man was beaten for refusing to tell where the Navy keeps pigs and chickens on an aircraft carrier. Surely Soviet military intelligence knew that our ships have refrigeration and do not need to carry livestock. There are countless other such stories which cast doubt on the participation of the Soviets.
In any case, McCain was only a pilot. I cannot think of any tactical information which a Navy pilot could have which would be of any value to an enemy who lacked the capacity to attack an aircraft carrier. Nor can I think of much strategic information which any sensible person would give to a pilot who might be shot down and captured.
There are exceptions to this, of course. In any military or naval hierarchy, it is sometimes necessary, for day to day operations under unusual circumstances, for some men to be trained in various skills which may become useful should those circumstances arise. Even the existence of such skills should remain a secret as closely held as possible.
A few men in the camps had such a secret. Had it been disclosed by anyone, we would have known it instantly. It never was.
Someone has circulated a transcript of a radio broadcast made on June 2, 1969, in which McCain says that he received medical treatment and that we were being well treated. If it is authentic, it reads like a statement that he might have made when first captured. It did not take long for men to learn that they could manipulate language when tortured to make statements. Thus, at the Stockholm “War Crimes Tribunal,” the Vietnamese Communist government offered a statement from an American who confessed that Clark Kent (Superman’s alter ego) and Ben Casey (a character in a television show) ordered him to do terrible things. The Vietnamese only realized that they had been snookered when they saw Soviet journalists laughing at the joke the American had played on them. To John McCain’s critics I promise that I can get you, too, to make a statement on any subject I wish.
We have no evidence that Sen. McCain received special treatment. Since he was as thin as the rest of us, if he did, it was not in the form of decent food. It is alleged that he was taken into Hanoi and put up in a hotel with prostitutes. This is an improvement on the allegation spread during the 2000 campaign that he was given a Vietnamese woman to live with him in his cell, an allegation that led me to ask why, if he was my friend, didn’t he ask if she had a sister? Even when he was in solitary confinement, he was constantly in contact with others. Further, we always knew about movements within the camps because the Communists simply were not competent at preventing us from gaining intelligence. Men who were in the camps with him agree that they are not aware of a single night that he spent out of his cell.
A friend, whom I know to be reliable, was across the hall and one door down, from McCain’s cell when McCain was first captured. He has told me that he saw Communist officers enter the cell where the wounded John McCain lay, incapacitated. He heard them offer McCain early release and heard John answer that he would go home when we all go home. He heard the voices of the officers rising until they were shouting angrily at McCain and threatening him. This was followed by screams of agony from John McCain, and a stream of obscenities from him. He could not see what they did to him and I never heard from John McCain what it was. This does not sound like a collaborator.
In the spring of 1971 I personally witnessed evidence of John McCain’s loyalty. After the attempted rescue of POWs at the camp at Son Tay, in November of 1970, almost all Americans were moved to Hoa Lo prison in Hanoi, the infamous “Hanoi Hilton.” The Communists felt so threatened by the raid that, for the first time, they concentrated us in large cells with as many as sixty men in a cell.
One of the first things we did was to institute regular religious services in our cells. On January 1, 1971, we were told that all religious activity was forbidden. This led to a long series of increasingly hostile confrontations which someone has labeled “the Church Riots.” I was in a cell next to John McCain’s cell. In early March, the four senior men in his cell were removed and for some time we lost contact with them. Then the four senior men in my cell were removed, and we lost contact with them, also. The confrontations rapidly escalated.
My recollection is that John McCain was now the senior man in his cell. In any case, I know that he was deeply involved with what followed. The senior men in our two cells kept us under tight control, but carefully staged demonstrations of our anger over the religious ban and the removal of our cell mates. On March 19, St. Joseph’s Day, I remember the men in McCain’s room singing, at the top of their lungs, first “the Battle Hymn of the Republic,” then “Onward Christian Soldiers.”
We knew that this could not go on. The night before, when men from our cell went out to wash dishes, the largest men in the cell, me included, were sent out and told the stand a few inches in front of each guard, cross our arms, and stare angrily into their eyes. The guards were nervous. After ten minutes the one I was staring at began crying and ran away. Shortly thereafter a platoon of armed guards returned with him. A Vietnamese officer nervously ordered us to return to our cell. We stood fast. Finally, after we had repeatedly disobeyed the orders of the Vietnamese officer, the senior man in our cell stepped out and quietly told us to go inside.
The Communists were thoroughly frightened. Given the history of Communism, we had no illusions as to what might come from this. They had killed 100 million people to maintain their control. What would a few American pilots mean to people like that? For much of our incarceration they had threatened to execute some of us.
John McCain was involved in planning and carrying out these confrontations in order to gain the right to worship in our cells. He knew what we were risking. At sundown, on March 19, they came, first to McCain’s cell, then to ours. A total of thirty six of us were taken, at gunpoint, out of the cells. Outside our hands were tied, then our elbows tied behind our back, and we were blindfolded. We did not know what was about to happen but I am certain that none of us thought we were being taken to a hotel to have a party with Vietnamese girls. To our relief, we were taken to a camp where we were put in solitary confinement for the next seven months.
I may not agree with John McCain on some policies. However, I will go to my grave remembering the American officer who helped organize men to defy an enemy who wish to deprive us of religious observance. Even today I cannot hear the Battle Hymn of the Republic without tears as I am still moved by the courage of the singers and the leadership of John McCain.
James H. Warner is a retired attorney. He served as a domestic policy advisor to President Ronald Reagan from 1985 until 1989.
More information on Warner here.
I cannot think of any tactical information which a Navy pilot could have which would be of any value to an enemy who lacked the capacity to attack an aircraft carrier. Nor can I think of much strategic information which any sensible person would give to a pilot who might be shot down and captured.
No, but he had propaganda value by making recordings the NVA could broadcast.
My main complaint about McCain's is about his actions after he returned home - working to help Hanoi at every opportunity, working for trade relations, working against the POW families, siding with liberal democrats ...
McCain-Kennedy Amnesty Bill.
I think it's safe to say he's a hero.
What did he do to attain hero status?
Well said
To me a hero is someone you look up to. I don’t look up to someone who supports granting due-process rights to unlawful enemy combatants.
If true, and there is no reason to doubt this other POW, those are heroic actions at the time...though I disdain and am 4-square against many of McCain's positions and actions as a politician since...as I pointed out in post #3 on this thread.
It’s silly to make things up about the man when there is so much valid, factual, damning and verifiable evidence against him most issues dear to conservatives.
The McCain deranged are not satisfied with criticism of his political record. These pitiful people feel they must destroy a young Naval Aviator who resisted his captors and refused early release.
If the article above is true and he led, for principles that we all agree with, resistance against people who would frequently torture him; and if he accepted, for those same principles, a state in which torture and simple discomfort were the norm, despite having a chance to leave, then I would say he has attained hero status.
That method is not limited to McCain, they do that to anybody and everybody that they disagree with.
In the end, he showed poor judgement, but his involvement was considerably less than the other four Democrats. If it were not an important election year, his involvement would not have been more than a footnote.
Thanks for the help!
My position stands. Do we really want to get in a spamming war here?
Lurkers can just google it.
I am not trying to be a jerk, simply pointing out somethings that folks do to McCain: They jump on the “ I hate McCain” bandwagon” without really knowing why they dont like him.
It is clear that you dont know much about the Keating mess, which is OK. And there are plenty of reasons not to like a candidate-Lord knows I have a list a yard long not to like the ones I don’t like.
I am not a McCain supporter or apologist. I simply feel that knee-jerk reactions and statements such as the one you made should not go un-challenged.
To compare anything that McCain did to what my Senior Senator did that late Summer night is not justified.
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>>I am not trying to be a jerk, simply pointing out somethings that folks do to McCain: They jump on the “ I hate McCain” bandwagon” without really knowing why they dont like him.<<
I understand that. I am just not one of them.
>>It is clear that you dont know much about the Keating mess, which is OK.<<
I beg to differ. And I have not offered enough information here for you to make an informed decision what I know, one way or the other. There is plenty of info out there for those that want to know though.
My standards for someone running for the most powerful office in the world are pretty high.
Whatever.
When I make a remark that is inflammatory I expect to be able to explain my position, at least on a rudimentary level.
When you when you were asked to explain your statement, you answered with another statement (inferring that he should have gone to jail) that indicated that you did not fully understand the Keating situation, and McCain’s limited involvement in it.
I will let it lie and allow the other readers to come to their conclusion and do the research on their own.
Have a great night.
You too!
It is not that I do not understand the situation. It is that I understand it all too well...
And the information, even that on which the final decision was based, is there for anyone who wants to read up on it.
It is his Chapaquidic, and the parallel fits on several levels, not least of which is the inability to make a reasonable decision.
I’m sure that everything Jim Warner said is true based on his own knowledge of McCain, but that was after McCain was put in with the other POWs. Before that, McCain was kept separate from the other POWs for 2+ years.
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