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Insanity on FR (Vanity)
2/2/08 | tomnbeverly

Posted on 02/03/2008 4:58:36 AM PST by tomnbeverly

The Insanity that has taken over on this forum, when it comes to the potential GOP nominees, is bordering on Psychotic.

1. John McCain and Mitt Romney are both good and decent men.

2. Either one being the GOP nominee is a far cry better then the Surrender Monkeys on the other side.

I only ask that we do not stray into that Liberal arena of Personal destruction. I have listened to Sean and Rush and I blame them for engaging this tactic in our party.

We should never have to tear one candidates record down to promote the other. For that reason alone Ronald Reagan would be turning over in his grave.


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To: tomnbeverly
"We should never have to tear one candidates record down to promote the other. "

I am not a Romney or Huck fan, although either would be "good enough". But John McCain's record needs no "tearing down" all one needs to do is look at it to know this man should never be close to front runner status let alone our nominee.

Many of us feel strongly about having this traitorous bastard shoved down our throats by the GOP elite and it will be cold day in hell before I vote for him

361 posted on 02/03/2008 12:22:52 PM PST by Lloyd227 (and may God bless Oriana Fallaci)
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To: tomnbeverly
Haven't read through the many replies, so this point may have been made a couple of hundred times, but the insanity is NOT limited to FR. The Republican Party has a full scale riot going on.

Course, FR people tend to express their opinions a little more forcefully than most.

362 posted on 02/03/2008 12:23:47 PM PST by Richard Kimball (Sure, they'd love to kill me, as long as they can do it without admitting I exist)
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To: LadyNavyVet
I don’t trust McCain on judges.

The point is we do trust Hillary. McCain said he likes Roberts and if he picked Roberts, I'd be very happy. If he picked Lindsey Graham it would be exponentially better than anyone Hillary would pick. If it were Sandra Day O'Connor it would be better than anyone Hillary would pick.

The Clintons are not the only administration to sell leading edge technology to the Chinese.

No other administration has ever done anything even close to the Loral matter -- forcing a sale to the benefit of a big contributor against the advice of the State Department and the Pentagon. And it was not just leading-edge technology but technology that caused us to directly lose a major military advantage.

And they knew this.

And then we find later that the Clintons were not only taking money from Bernard Schwartz but from the Chicoms themselves.

I do not want them back in the White House. It's more than a matter of principle but of fear for our country's future. We can survive McCain. I don't know that we can survive another Clinton reign.

Of course, McCain may not be the nominee and that would make this discussion moot. I am voting for Romney.

363 posted on 02/03/2008 12:25:41 PM PST by Tribune7 (How is inflicting pain and death on an innocent, helpless human being for profit, moral?)
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To: tomnbeverly
"I didn’t say libertarian I said Conservative... If you think Mitt Romney is more Conservative than John McCain then you are a Fool..."

I don't have any idea what you are talking about and/or how that statement applies to my post. Please remain on topic. To come back with a totally different argument is a liberal tactic.

364 posted on 02/03/2008 12:34:20 PM PST by JustaDumbBlonde
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To: marajade

I have many reasons not to vote for John McCain. I was addressing the abortion issue because the other poster specifically brought it up.

The bottom line for me, as a former member of the military, is that I will not put someone in charge of our nuclear arsenal whom I believe is mentally unfit for that responsibility.

Obama and Hillary are leftists, but they are sane.


365 posted on 02/03/2008 12:44:07 PM PST by LadyNavyVet (I don't vote for Democrats, and that includes John McCain.)
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To: LadyNavyVet

I thought we were talking about judges?


366 posted on 02/03/2008 12:45:07 PM PST by marajade (Yes, I'm a SW freak!)
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To: Tribune7

“No other administration has ever done anything even close to the Loral matter...”

I will suggest again that you google around. Like I said, globalists are globalists, and the letter behind their name doesn’t change that. What we need more than anything is a President who isn’t a Washington isider. Unless Romney wins we have no chance of that.


367 posted on 02/03/2008 12:51:59 PM PST by LadyNavyVet (I don't vote for Democrats, and that includes John McCain.)
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To: LadyNavyVet
"My opposition to him is principled, fact-based, and nonnegotiable."

Well said. It's just too bad that so many here refuse to see or hear or even do a little bit of research. The best thing McCain could do for our country is retire from government.

368 posted on 02/03/2008 12:52:02 PM PST by GBA ( God Bless America!)
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To: antivenom
Oh she will have plenty to write about either way.

Remember they said Rush’s show would fold if Clinton got elected because he would have nothing to talk about.

Hay, how ya doin’?

369 posted on 02/03/2008 12:54:55 PM PST by Syncro
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To: Glenn
I'm saying there is a line you do not cross.

Get real! That's true concerning almost anyone!

Check out some of the obituary threads. The mods will remove hateful posts regardless of the ideology of the deceased (except of course Saddam and Zaqauwi(sp) who were both overt enemies of the U.S.).

I remember some of the zapped comments when Elizabeth Edwards was diagnosed with breast cancer!

370 posted on 02/03/2008 12:55:45 PM PST by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus
It ought to tell you something when even Limbaugh and Hannity are seriously considering not supporting the GOP candidate if McCain gets the nod
. . . and it's not a question of "getting them onboard." Their saying that is a symptom, not the disease. The disease of the McCain candidacy is . . . John McCain. And it is fatal; nothing you or I or Rush, or anyone else can do would change it.

There will be no McCain Administration. Full Stop.


371 posted on 02/03/2008 1:01:41 PM PST by conservatism_IS_compassion (The Democratic Party is only a front for the political establishment in America - Big Journalism.)
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To: COBOL2Java
Sorry, I will NEVER vote for John McCain. He is a mean-spirited, backstabbing, egotistical little man. He is not fit to command. If the frightened old Rockefeller blue-bloods in the Republican party nominate this sorry excuse for a candidate, then to paraphrase Reagan, I did not leave the Republican party, the Republican party left me.

You may be right about McCain, but I don't see very men "old Rockefeller blue-bloods" in the Republican Party. Most of them died and their kids became Democrats.

If you want to talk about a "Republican Establishment" nowadays it would be hard to know where to look. If you found one, though, it would look a lot different than it did in the 1950s or 1960s.

Hate McCain or fear him, most of his support comes from ordinary everyday people who aren't conservative activists, but aren't bluebloods either.

372 posted on 02/03/2008 1:08:51 PM PST by x
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To: tomnbeverly

Great Post.


373 posted on 02/03/2008 1:09:38 PM PST by jveritas (God bless our brave troops and President Bush)
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To: tomnbeverly

Sorry, I have to disagree with #1—McCain is NOT a good or decent man.


374 posted on 02/03/2008 1:11:32 PM PST by rottndog (McCain....We don't need no stinkeen' McCain....)
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To: tomnbeverly
There is no evidence whatsoever that John McCain is a nice, decent man. That ends your argument.
375 posted on 02/03/2008 1:12:42 PM PST by Yaelle
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To: tomnbeverly

That dog won’t hunt.

Here’s why I think it won’t.

A bunch of us don’t really care much for Romney, but we think he’s a sight better than McCain for a host of reasons and we think McCain needs to be stopped. So, to tell us that all we should do is promote our candidate but not rag on the other’s record misses the point.

There’s no way I could be convincing that Romney is just the guy. After all, I started with Duncan Hunter and strongly considered Fred Thompson. But for years McCain himself has convinced me that HE NEEDS TO BE STOPPED.


376 posted on 02/03/2008 1:23:57 PM PST by txrangerette (Anyone, ANYONE but McCain/Huckabee)
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To: muawiyah
Yup. Everyone when he was Speaker. Newt also has more skeletons in the closet according to people I know in GA. They say if the door every got open it would be the end of him in politics.

You do not have enough Skycaps to get Newt's baggage to the curb.

377 posted on 02/03/2008 1:24:26 PM PST by mad_as_he$$ (John McCain - The Manchurian Candidate?)
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To: tomnbeverly

I don’t believe any one running for President is a decent man or woman in the same sense that I consider my friends decent.

One politician may be more decent than another politician, but that isn’t saying much.


378 posted on 02/03/2008 1:25:46 PM PST by philetus (Keep doing what you always do and you'll keep getting what you always get.)
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To: Grizzled Bear
Get real! That's true concerning almost anyone!

You don't understand and I'm not sure I can explain it to you. It's subtle, but it is there. If McCain is nominated, you'll get to see the replay.

379 posted on 02/03/2008 1:36:14 PM PST by Glenn (Free Venezuela!)
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To: mad_as_he$$
Everybody knows Newt has baggage, and most of its been dragged around the block already.

At the same time he's overdrawn his checking account a few times AND he delivered those papers (relating to his divorce) to his first wife while she was in the hospital.

On the other hand, his first wife had been ONE OF HIS HIGHSCHOOL TEACHERS, and we know how predatory those female teachers are these days with young boys and everything. No doubt it warped him ~ may even have hurt him.

No rational person can view Newt as anything but a major victim of one of the sexual plagues sweeping this nation.

380 posted on 02/03/2008 1:43:19 PM PST by muawiyah
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