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Commentary: Doing away with the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) (Replacing With The Fair Tax)
helium.com ^ | Ken Hoagland

Posted on 02/01/2008 12:06:25 PM PST by Man50D

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1 posted on 02/01/2008 12:06:28 PM PST by Man50D
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To: ancient_geezer; Taxman; pigdog; Principled; EternalVigilance; phil_will1; kevkrom; n-tres-ted; ...

Fair Tax ping!


2 posted on 02/01/2008 12:06:56 PM PST by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it!)
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To: Man50D

I can only support a change to the Fair Tax if is requires a Constitutional ammendment repealing the income tax. Without that, there is nothing to prevent a future Congress from re-imposing an income tax.


3 posted on 02/01/2008 12:08:25 PM PST by ops33 (Retired USAF Senior Master Sergeant)
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To: Man50D

I am undecided about the fair tax. Someone did bring up the question concerning how you do the changeover. Lots of people who have made major financial decisions based on the current system could be ruined over night through no fault of their own.


4 posted on 02/01/2008 12:09:21 PM PST by Dr. Sivana (Not a newbie, I just wanted a new screen name.)
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To: Man50D

Even a fair tax has to have someone to collect it, which means the IRS remains.


5 posted on 02/01/2008 12:09:55 PM PST by aimhigh
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To: Man50D

Has Wesley Snipes been sentenced yet?


6 posted on 02/01/2008 12:11:40 PM PST by Republicus2001
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To: ops33

It’s in the bloody Fair Tax Bill!


7 posted on 02/01/2008 12:12:42 PM PST by wastedyears (This is my BOOMSTICK)
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To: Man50D
Never.
Gonna.
Happen.
8 posted on 02/01/2008 12:12:51 PM PST by elizabetty (John McCain Hates Michael Reagan...........John McCain Hates Me, too. The feeling is mutual.)
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To: Man50D
The greatest benefits of tax reductions under the FairTax, according to respected economists, accrue to low income taxpayers (an average 14% reduction) then to the middle class taxpayers(an average 7% reduction) and then even to the wealthy (an average 5% reduction). How can this be and still raise enough revenues to replace all taxes now collected under the income tax system?

It can't and it won't.

9 posted on 02/01/2008 12:13:41 PM PST by Always Right (Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?)
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To: xcamel

ping


10 posted on 02/01/2008 12:15:32 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: wastedyears

no it is not.

it is LEGISLATIVE not constitutional.


11 posted on 02/01/2008 12:16:19 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: wastedyears

Under HR 25 located at http://www.thomas.gov

SEC. 101. INCOME TAXES REPEALED.

Subtitle A of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 (relating to income taxes and self-employment taxes) is repealed.

+++-—+++___+++

There is NOTHING stopping a reenactment of income tax on top of the 30% sales tax.

ZERO


12 posted on 02/01/2008 12:20:03 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: ops33

Name one position any of the candidates have taken that can’t be abolished by a future Congress.

The claim that a good thing can’t be supported because it could in the future be corrupted is poor reasoning.


13 posted on 02/01/2008 12:20:18 PM PST by Deut28 (Cursed be he who perverts the justice)
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To: elizabetty

but mike huckabee staked his ENTIRE CREDIBILITY ON THE IRS BOOGEYMAN!!!!!


14 posted on 02/01/2008 12:21:00 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: aimhigh

How did taxes get collected before the IRS?


15 posted on 02/01/2008 12:22:59 PM PST by Xenophon450 (I guess I'll never know, some things under the sun can never be understood...)
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To: Deut28

without a constitutional change this, giving all the claims as to revenue neutrality as a given assumption, does NOTHING to help taxpayers.

We are taxed too much, the IRS must go, this tax scam proposal does nothing but give us idiotic huckabee commercials.


16 posted on 02/01/2008 12:26:51 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: elizabetty
Never. Gonna. Happen

Love the optimism.

17 posted on 02/01/2008 12:32:39 PM PST by cowboyway ("No damn man kills me and lives." -- Nathan Bedford Forrest)
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To: ops33
I can only support a change to the Fair Tax if is requires a Constitutional ammendment repealing the income tax.

House Joint Resolution 16 has been introduced before Congress to abolish the IRS. It is the start of the process to repeal the 16th Amendment. Americans For Fair Taxation(AFFT) is working concurrently to have the 16th Amendment repealed. You can get involved by joining AFFT instead of waiting on the sidelines for other people to do the work.

Without that, there is nothing to prevent a future Congress from re-imposing an income tax.

There has been nothing to stop Congress from passing such legislation in the past except for one obstacle. Congress critters are painfully aware passing a consumption tax while maintaining a federal income tax would cause outrage from the people tantamount to the level felt when Congress twice attempted to grant amnesty to illegal aliens this summer. Congress quickly backed down after experiencing such anger. The last thing politicians want is millions of constituents flooding their offices with angry calls, faxes and emails.
18 posted on 02/01/2008 12:33:56 PM PST by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it!)
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same old same old


19 posted on 02/01/2008 12:36:31 PM PST by xcamel (Two-hand-voting now in play - One on lever, other holding nose.)
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To: aimhigh
How is the tax collected?

Retail businesses collect the tax from the consumer, just as state sales tax systems already do in 45 states; the FairTax is simply an additional line on the current sales tax reporting form. Retailers simply collect the tax and send it to the state taxing authority. All businesses serving as collection agents receive a fee for collection, and the states also receive a collection fee. The tax revenues from the states are then sent to the U.S. Treasury. ............................................................

Frequesntly asked Questions about the Fair Tax

http://www.fairtax.org/site/PageServer?pagename=about_faq

20 posted on 02/01/2008 12:39:11 PM PST by Turret Gunner A20
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