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To: Bigoleelephant

The guy was in the Hanoi Hilton for Pete’s sake.

which doesn’t give a guy a pass on being scrutinized. But I challenge anyone that has not been incarcerated and tortured like McCain, to question his loyalty due to the fact he decided to stay a few more years even though he had the opportunity just because his dad was an admiral running the show. I would say he was ‘patriotic’ as much as a POW can be in those circumstances, as was others, whose arms and legs were tied behind their backs for significant periods of time.

Many of these negative comments are utterly pathetic but, hey, free speech, baby.


15 posted on 02/01/2008 9:46:21 AM PST by Tulsa Ramjet ("If not now, when?" "Because it's judgment that defeats us.")
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To: Tulsa Ramjet
I’m with you and colorado tanker. We should leave his service alone. He did his job the best he could. There is plenty of stuff to keep him from the presidency without going there. Kerry, OTOH, went to Paris, undermined the troops, and betrayed his country without having his limbs broken.

People that weren't there in Hanoi, can't possibly know what he went through and have some sort of comic book notion of what they would do in the same situation. Going after McCain's war record is a BIG loser, IMO.

21 posted on 02/01/2008 9:54:31 AM PST by chuckles
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To: Tulsa Ramjet
“he decided to stay a few more years even though he had the opportunity just because his dad was an admiral running the show.”

I’m sorry. How does someone tell their captors they don’t want to be released. If the Vietnamese decided to release him for some political gain, they would have done it regardless of what the prisoner said.

39 posted on 02/01/2008 10:05:47 AM PST by MPJackal ("From my cold dead hands.")
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To: Tulsa Ramjet
The guy was in the Hanoi Hilton for Pete’s sake. which doesn’t give a guy a pass on being scrutinized. But I challenge anyone that has not been incarcerated and tortured like McCain, to question his loyalty due to the fact he decided to stay a few more years even though he had the opportunity just because his dad was an admiral running the show. I would say he was ‘patriotic’ as much as a POW can be in those circumstances, as was others, whose arms and legs were tied behind their backs for significant periods of time. Many of these negative comments are utterly pathetic but, hey, free speech, baby.

What is pathetic is McCain set himself up as speech 'god' as incumbent protection racket. Sure he suffered but that sure does not entitle him to the office of President.

82 posted on 02/01/2008 10:29:38 AM PST by Just mythoughts (Isa.3:4 And I will give children to be their princes, and babes shall rule over them.)
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