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Vietnam Veterans Against John McCain
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Posted on 02/01/2008 9:33:23 AM PST by FR_addict

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To: Def Conservative

You’re right. Only those who did the time can question anothers claim. It reminds me of the REMF/RAMF buttheads who talk about how hard their recent deployments were. Papercuts are a big issue! They get called out and if they have a bonefied experience then they get a pass. That is all that is going on here....not that I am accusing McCain of being a REMF but those who were in Vietnam have every right to scrutinize and call him out for some “straight talk” regarding his time and the burden of proof falls on him to answer the allegations if he wants those of us still in uniform to take him seriously.


61 posted on 02/01/2008 10:21:25 AM PST by killermedic ("discipline isn’t reserved for times of combat....only tested there.")
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To: MPJackal

If you don’t know the history, I can’t help you.


62 posted on 02/01/2008 10:21:25 AM PST by Tulsa Ramjet ("If not now, when?" "Because it's judgment that defeats us.")
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To: FR_addict
It may me legit, but it's bad politics to attack McCain with his service record. He's not John Kerry. Kerry's service record and numerous times it was laundered are/were legitimate reasons to go after him.

I am a vet too, but my beef with McCain is policy and temperament based. is service may or may not have affected that, but I personally doubt it. His ego and temperament were created long before he was captured.

63 posted on 02/01/2008 10:21:39 AM PST by Cold Heat (Mitt....2008)
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To: FR_addict

JUAN MCCAIN HAS HIRED AN ADVISOR THAT ONCE WORKED FOR VICENTE FOX...WHAT DOES THAT TELL YOU ABOUT HIM


64 posted on 02/01/2008 10:21:44 AM PST by angelcindy ("Where's the Fence??")
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To: XeniaSt

Disagree. McCain was offered early release because his old man was the Navy Pacific commander and they thought they could get some mileage out of it. McCain turned it down and stayed a few more years in that hell hole. I don’t like the man’s politics, but I won’t question his service.


65 posted on 02/01/2008 10:22:18 AM PST by colorado tanker
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To: Samba

McCain is truly the Manchurian Candidate.

But you can get anyone to do anything with the right
“technique” if they are a prisoner. Its merely a matter of time. We shouldn’t hold against him anything he did while in the hands of those fiends.


66 posted on 02/01/2008 10:22:23 AM PST by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts and guns made America great.)
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To: FR_addict

IMHO, it is BS.


67 posted on 02/01/2008 10:23:06 AM PST by verity ("Lord, what fools these mortals be!")
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To: madconservative
The bottom line is that McCain is a flaming liberal on ALL issues except the war. So if you want a liberal, vote McCain.......or Obama...........or hitlery............or possibly Mitt. If you want a conservative President..........move to France. Man I never thought I would say that.
68 posted on 02/01/2008 10:23:33 AM PST by MPJackal ("From my cold dead hands.")
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To: angelcindy

Former Mexican Statesman Joins McCain Camp

Juan Hernandez, the man who served in Vicente Fox’s cabinet when the latter was president of Mexico, is now advising Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) on reaching out to Hispanics during his presidential bid.

The fact that (McCain) would pick a person who has worked as a foreign government official is very troubling,” Steven Camarota, director of research with the Center for Immigration Studies

http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewPolitics.asp?Page=/Politics/archive/200801/POL20080131b.html


69 posted on 02/01/2008 10:23:56 AM PST by angelcindy ("Where's the Fence??")
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To: colorado tanker
Watch the videos.......

70 posted on 02/01/2008 10:23:59 AM PST by Uri’el-2012 (you shall know that I, YHvH, your Savior, and your Redheemer, am the Elohim of Ya'aqob. Isaiah 60:16)
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To: Red_Devil 232

“But you know what? McCain does not publicly dispute this status ... he basks in the limelight when someone calls him that ... watch the endorsement by Arnold yesterday and when Arnold mentions McCain as a HERO he beams at the words.”

You are right. I guess every time that someone chooses to use words to introduce him to a crowd, functions, meeting, bible class, that McCain is a hero, he can preface his remarks with “I am not a hero.” How utterly callous of him.


71 posted on 02/01/2008 10:24:17 AM PST by Tulsa Ramjet ("If not now, when?" "Because it's judgment that defeats us.")
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To: Bigoleelephant
There are plenty of questions about his conservatism to take up the slack.

Those questions started some time and McCain did apparently seek to be JFKerry's VEEP, according to JFKerry and McCain did with his magical wand smack his authoritarian speech hand across the cheeks of the Swiftboat Vets.....

72 posted on 02/01/2008 10:25:14 AM PST by Just mythoughts (Isa.3:4 And I will give children to be their princes, and babes shall rule over them.)
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To: colorado tanker

“they thought they could get some mileage out of it.”

If they thought they could get mileage out of it they would have done it. McCain’s wishes would not have mattered.


73 posted on 02/01/2008 10:26:29 AM PST by MPJackal ("From my cold dead hands.")
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To: MPJackal

HA!

Sorry about that. It’s just with all the venom from the primaries, I wanted to overclarify so that I could get solid information.


74 posted on 02/01/2008 10:26:39 AM PST by madconservative (Founding member of the Constantinople Liberation Organization.)
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To: adorno

Sadly, getting Aids and not dying is considered “heroic” too. I think we are “kicking against the pricks” here.


75 posted on 02/01/2008 10:26:45 AM PST by Uriah_lost (This space closed for a respectful mourning period...)
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To: colorado tanker
he guy did years in the Hanoi Hilton and refused an offer of early release ahead of his prison mates. Misguided attacks on McCain’s service will give credence to the liberals who claim the Swiftees were wrong about John French Kerry.

McCain has earned his own inspection given how he dismissed those Swiftboat Vets with his speech glove.

76 posted on 02/01/2008 10:27:21 AM PST by Just mythoughts (Isa.3:4 And I will give children to be their princes, and babes shall rule over them.)
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To: colorado tanker
"The guy did years in the Hanoi Hilton and refused an offer of early release ahead of his prison mates."

Another myth...He was REQUIRED to refuse early release.

The Senior POW OIC is required to implement release of POWs under his command on the basis of "1st in 1st out".

McCain was NOT entitled to the early release based on his "family connections" or the level at which he may have cooperated with his Communist captors....

His "family position" and whatever "cooperation" he provided - secured for McCain a level of medical treatment OUTSIDE the Hanoi Hilton that was enjoyed by NO OTHER POWs.

No doubt McCain suffered... But McCain, better than most - found a way to parlay his lackluster military service into a lifetime position sucking at the public tit..

Not unlike Kerry -- whom he DEFENDED against the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth..
McCain in his defense of Kerry, also went over the edge and slandered the TRULY honorable Swift Boat Veterans....

77 posted on 02/01/2008 10:27:38 AM PST by river rat (Semper Fi - You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: XeniaSt

I know that there are people who are very angry and feel McCain betrayed the POW/MIA cause. That’s legitimate criticism, but takes nothing away from his service.


78 posted on 02/01/2008 10:27:49 AM PST by colorado tanker
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To: XeniaSt
Many of the real POW say he was not in the Honoi Hilton but was in an apartment with two "comfort" nurses.

And some dimbulbs believe it.

79 posted on 02/01/2008 10:28:36 AM PST by MARTIAL MONK
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To: MPJackal

McCain is against water-boarding as it’s “torture”. McCain also wants to close Gitmo. These positions are probably influenced by his wartime experiences. Imho, McCain is incorrect on these issues.


80 posted on 02/01/2008 10:29:10 AM PST by khnyny (MSM IS BUSY Propping Up "Weekend at Bernie's" John McCain)
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