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Jim, I don’t think Huck has a chance at this point and that leaves it to McCain and Romney. Romney, while not our first choice, is heads and tails above McCain and I believe will govern much more closely to our ideals.

A McCain presidency will decimate most of what we hold dear and usher in an era of “let’s make a deal with the kennedy wing” republican politics. We will NEVER KNOW what he is going to do, but I got a feeling much of it were not going to like.

I understand you might not feel you can support Mitt over his flip flopping on abortion, but I do believe what he had to do in Mass. was simple political reality in such a lefty state. I think his heart is and has been in the right place and without the necessity of assuaging pro choice voters he will govern they way you would want him to and not just on this point but many others.

Remember, we can hold his feet to the fire the way we did with Bush on Alito and immigration. The imperial presidency of John McCain will never react positively to such interference in his reign.

We discussed once how one of the important benefits, maybe the most important, of holding the White House are the SC nominations. I am confident that with Romney we will get the nominees we need...McCain is a crap shoot at best.

Romney and his “Washington is broken” mantra seems to be treating America like another Bain Capital take over - flip it at any cost - including selling our souls to China to make him look like Midas.

Tells me more about the man within than I ever wanted to know:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_w9pquznG4

It’s not the flip or the flop, it’s the abortion activism. Even campaigning for allowing underage girls to murder their unborn children with a judge’s permission, with or without parental consent. A man who can say the things he said during his campaign for governor is no conservative. No Republican. No Christian. Not even a man as far as I’m concerned. Just an evil being. Might as well be Ted Kennedy asking for our vote. No thanks. No sale.

Jim, I don’t think Huck has a chance at this point and that leaves it to McCain and Romney.

I think you're on target here, in that Huckabee cannot get elected. And that leaving only McCain and Romney, we're in a terrible stituion.

Romney, while not our first choice, is heads and tails above McCain and I believe will govern much more closely to our ideals.

If this were a situation where a guy had a come to Jesus moment on one or two things, I could buy off on it. Mitt has had a wholesale change across the board. This puts me in the position of having to make defenses of him by measures, because he may or may not be better than McCain.

If he holds to his platform, he might be okay. Who knows what convoluted logic he may employ to come to a decision that seems implied by his platform but wasn't specifically spelled out. We don't know.

A McCain presidency will decimate most of what we hold dear and usher in an era of “let’s make a deal with the kennedy wing” republican politics.

I don't disagree here. I cannot say that Romney wouldn't do the same thing. That was a picture of Ted Kennedy with a big smile on his face standing right behind Mitt Romney as he signed into law the Ma. Healthcare Plan. I'm sure if you were to check into it, the history of those liberals on that platform would gag most of the folks on this forum. There he was, Mr. Bipartisanship, Mitt Romney.

We will NEVER KNOW what he is going to do, but I got a feeling much of it were not going to like.

I would only disagree in that we do know what he's going to do. He's going to sell out conservatism at every turn. You'll get no arguement there, except to say that I think McCain is far worse than you have stated. Could you state it cleary enough? Probably not. He's a democrat. He will govern like one if given the chance. I will not vote for him and neither will other conservatives. He's DOA at the ballot box.

I understand you might not feel you can support Mitt over his flip flopping on abortion, but I do believe what he had to do in Mass. was simple political reality in such a lefty state. I think his heart is and has been in the right place and without the necessity of assuaging pro choice voters he will govern they way you would want him to and not just on this point but many others.

I doubt seriously that Mitt was elected based on his abortion stance. Let's face it, if abortion was the primary issue, Mitt would never have been governor. He was elected to be fiscally responsible, or on some other issue. If you wish to make the case he was elected for his stance on this, I would consider it to damage your case for him.

Remember, we can hold his feet to the fire the way we did with Bush on Alito and immigration. The imperial presidency of John McCain will never react positively to such interference in his reign.

I agree with this. It's my opinion that conservatives will never get behind these men in numbers significant enough to put them in the White House.

We discussed once how one of the important benefits, maybe the most important, of holding the White House are the SC nominations. I am confident that with Romney we will get the nominees we need...McCain is a crap shoot at best.

With McCain, you would simple look at Ted Kennedy's short list and it would match John's probably eight out of ten or more.

I am not impressed by what I have read of Romney's just selections in Ma. Have you seen something that makes you more confident than I? I mean something more than what he says he'll do now.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1962819/posts?page=430#430

Did you believe him and what he said in that video?

He's a grown man in a public setting making emphatic statements. Yes I do. His embelishments leave little doubt that he either believes what he is saying or is the consumate liar. Either way I couldn't support him based on this issue.

Bob, don't you think you gain more by being honest with people, then selling yourself on the positive aspects of your beliefs across the board?

You may not be agreed with on abortion. Okay, sell yourself as a businessman and your fiscal acuity. Sell yourself on education or a bunch of other important issues. Sell yourself on caring about the family around the dinner table, and wanting to give them power over their lives with lower taxes and a better future for their kids, and be specific.

I have never bought off on the idea we have to be ashamed of our ideals in any setting. Even people who say they believe in abortion, are shocked to know some 40,000,000 of them per performed in the U.S. since Roe vs Wade. Tell them that your goal is to try to find ways to reduce that number if you can't touch them in other ways. It might surprise people to know that by a very wide margin, even those who support abortion think there are far too many of them. We have commonality there. When talking to a black group, you can explain how they are under represented in today's society because of the millions who have been terminated pre-birth. Isn't that the ultimate racism? Genocide.

That's how you address issues if you're a conservative. You don't rattle off the most radical liberal agenda, then say that you're going to protect it as it exsists today, and that even kids can get abortions without parental consent, and you'll make sure that doesn't change.