Original Sin (Rudy's Collapse)

National Review ^ | 1/30/08 | Stanley Kurtz

[Leisler]

Tribes of New York.

Rudy, and the rest of them would of been better if they just drove around the country for a year.

I don’t know why, but that thought makes me yearn for yet another nutter, Newt.

[Dante3]

Interesting question.

While I expected Rudy's liberal policies to harm him, they have not hurt the more liberal McCain who has bad character, radical amnesty stand, adultery, health concerns, etc. No conservative, social fiscal or any other, could possibly vote for these two.

[marsh2]

And it will be Hukabee’s sin/mistake to sequester the social faction and ignore the fiscal and small government conservatives.

[Clemenza]

Correct. I have said several times that the two candidates on my definate "no" list were the Pastor and the Mayor.

Rudy wasn't even a fiscal conservative in either the Eisenhower (balanced budget) or supply-sider sense. I saw ZERO reason to vote for him, although I did like some of his actions as mayor of New York (I lived there during most of his reign).

[HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity]

"The collapse of Rudy Giuliani’s presidential bid is surely one of the most striking developments of the 2008 campaign. Strategic mistake? I don’t think so. Rudy lost because he dissed social conservatives. In fact, the reason Giuliani missed those early primaries is because he dissed social conservatives. Giuliani’s attempt to take apart and reconstitute Ronald Reagan’s winning political coalition was his original sin. And Rudy’s primal transgression continues to shape the dynamics of 2008’s Republican presidential race. With Reagan’s erstwhile coalition now cast out of the garden of amity, only recognizing and understanding Rudy’s fault will allow us to find our way back."

True. The photos in drag with Trump probably didn't help much either.

Rudy lost because of intellectual errors and political mistakes. It was a mistake, politically and intellectually, for Rudy Giuliani to be pro-abortion and liberal on social issues. There was no sensible or logical reason to break up the Reagan coalition. If Giuliani intended to win, he should have bit the bullet and embraced the conservative platform which has won national elections, as we repeatedly pointed out all along:

Ronald Reagan, President of the United States (1981-1989)

1980: landslide (44 states, 489 electoral votes) Reagan's position: pro-life

1984: landslide (49 states, 525 electoral votes) Reagan's position: pro-life

[Liz]

Nice insight.

With all of his global businesses and his backers’ connections——the unspent money could be anywhere.

Probably in offshore banks out of sight of the FEC, IRS and US banking laws.

Another good place——Kerik has a “legal defense fund” in Wales.

[Liz]

Stanley Kurtz is channeling you........or has read all your posts.......saying what you've said from the beginning...

Oh, that.

I got people surveiling and stalking me constantly---cutting and pasting all my stuff into text files.

[Cluster]

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“Clemenza :

” The collapse of Rudy Giuliani’s presidential bid is surely one of the most striking developments of the 2008 campaign... “

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Probably also because, if he arrived at NY as a candidate, GOP understood that it risked to pay for any blunders or suspicious misbehavior for which many have accused Mr. Giulani’s and/or his dubious pals’ (Kerik’s, etc) acts and/or ommissions before and after the striking WTC’s strange deadly total 9/11 collapse.

That’s at least one of the reasons why those apparently huge Polls, giving him 1st for more than a Year, etc, according to some Mass Media’s incredibly manipulative errors, astonishingly melted down, shortly before the campaign was arriving at NY..

- In addition to some Mob-related Prosecutors’ Inquiries on Mr. Giulini’s pal, Kerik, many 9/11 Victims’ Families notoriously waited just an opportunity to raise anew Critical Questions on various WTC issues (fex. WTC Roof’s Blocked Doors, Prohibition of Helicopters, Radio and Water deficiencies for NY FireFighters, sucpicious brutal Refusal of access to Ground Zero by NY FireFighters and Victims’ Families and Friends, suddenly threatened with Jail, hasty Destruction of all Material Evidence despite 9/11 Victims Families’ protests, etc).

See our thread : “Giuliani to bring one (1 !) delegate to McCain and the “kiss of Death” .... Run John, RUN away !...”

[calcowgirl]

I wonder precisely how much Rudy raised in funds, versus how much he actually spent on the campaign? In other words, how much went into his own pockets?

Reportedly, he paid Judi to write speeches. Does that give you an indication?

[PetroniusMaximus]

"Ding Dong the Witch is Dead."

[tear gas]

I think it would be a big mistake for us to forget the names of the perverts and degenerates who endorsed Rudy. While they should perhaps be permitted to remain in the party, they should not be taken seriously again.

[Alberta's Child]

While I expected Rudy's liberal policies to harm him, they have not hurt the more liberal McCain who has bad character, radical amnesty stand, adultery, health concerns, etc.

That's an excellent point.

I think Giuliani's politics had nothing to do with his poor showing. I've long said that in the modern television age there's simply no way in hell this country is ever going to elect a president who is short, bald, wears glasses and has a speech impediment. His well-documented track record as a radical leftist on most issues was just the crap on top of the cake.

[Alberta's Child]

I agree with you 100%. For the life of me, I can’t imagine why someone like Ted Olsen would endorse such an abysmal candidate.

[Liz]

TEAR GAS: "I think it would be a big mistake for us to forget the names of the perverts and degenerates who endorsed Rudy. While they should perhaps be permitted to remain in the party, they should not be taken seriously again."

Tear gas posted THE most important statement in the aftermath of the RINO Rooty route.

I, for one, think the Rooty types should be tossed out of the party----these people are out to destroy the all-important Reagan Coalition, even as they failed in their deluded quest to religiously cleanse the party, and to kick so/cons to the curb.

Unfortunately, the Rooty degenerates buy their way into the party structure with the tons of money they have at their disposal.

ON THE PLUS SIDE: RNC'ers Kenny Lehman got ditched and so did Mel "Amnesty" Martinez---this means the party is getting the message from the grassroots.

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LESSON FROM THE ROOTY DISASTER: Republicans CANNOT AND WILL NOT WIN without social conservatives and believers.

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Now it was clear that as Rooty was tanking, his backers had switched their allegiances to McCain---El Fake-o Lieberman's surfacing to back McC was the red flag. Rooty still has tons of campaign money but his backers musta told him, "You're a loser. You make us look bad. We no longer need you. Get out."

Just keep in mind these creeps are still skulking around colluding in schemes to takover our gov't and to RINOize the party.

[Just mythoughts]

I remember some years back when the clarion call was to make the GOP the BIG TENT. Everybody was welcomed and principals be d.mn. So openings were made for alll, come one come alll... kinda like some religious epiphany not of conversion but of numbers...

So here we are some years later and what we have is a contest for a ringmaster not a leader.

[Condor51]

****I, for one, think the Rooty types should be tossed out of the party----these people are out to destroy the all-important Reagan Coalition, even as they failed in their deluded quest to religiously cleanse the party, and to kick so/cons to the curb.****

BUMP!!

The current GOP 'Big Tent' idea stuff is utter nonsense. The RATS are the 'Big Tent' party. Which includes every freak, geek, and carnival sideshow abomination that can walk, crawl or slither into a voting booth. And if there's 30 of them they're a 'special voting block' that must be pandered to.

Dammit, the GOP is supposed to be the party of Principles, conservative ones. And if you believed in them - not just 30%, not just 50%, not just 70%, not just "some of them, some of the time, depending where you live" - then yeah, come on in and join the party.

And while I'm at it, it beats the hell out of me how one can claim to be a 'fiscal conservative' then in the next breath say they're a 'moderate' on social issues. That's an oxymoron and does not compute as it takes LIBERAL fiscal practices to fund those (cough) 'moderate' social issues. (hint: the 2nd Amendment AIN'T a 'social issue')

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[Deb]

“Many people” suspect his cancer has returned or spread. Since his “headache”, several weeks ago, Rudy had affectively quit the campaign.

[Alberta's Child]

So why did Rudy hold back from contesting the initial primaries? Chiefly because he himself had created the conditions for his own rejection in the early states.

This is complete B.S. This statement might apply to Iowa, but certainly not to New Hampshire -- where the state's open primary system and the growing influence of displaced liberal Assachusetts residents would have made it an ideal place for Giuliani to win. Heck -- I'd even suggest that all things being equal, Giuliani should have had a better chance of winning New Hampshire than winning Florida.

[Alberta's Child]

Some of us are cynical enough to suspect that his “episode” a few weeks ago was nothing more than a story that was concocted for the sole purpose of giving him a “health concern” that could be used as an excuse to get out of the race rather than face a string of humiliating defeats in the primaries.

[Deb]

Then, why has no one mentioned it but Dennis Miller?