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Original Sin (Rudy's Collapse)
National Review ^ | 1/30/08 | Stanley Kurtz

Posted on 01/30/2008 11:15:55 AM PST by Clemenza

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1 posted on 01/30/2008 11:15:57 AM PST by Clemenza
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To: Liz; Arizona Carolyn

Ping!


2 posted on 01/30/2008 11:16:18 AM PST by Clemenza (Ronald Reagan was a "Free Traitor", Like Me ;-))
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To: Clemenza
I think the writer should have used the word Mistake instead of Sin. As the doctrine of Original Sin would argue that he had been born into a state of Sin and with a Sin nature.

Therefore, if the word Sin is replaced with Mistake in this article, then the Argument is what was his first mistake politically?

3 posted on 01/30/2008 11:21:26 AM PST by sr4402
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To: Clemenza
Giuliani could and should have made a bolder stand in New Hampshire

But Rudy did try to make a stand in NH. He was here, in the spring and summer, often. And he ran TV ads. He was doing poorly, and then scaled back his effort.

Almost every report on the demise of Julie Annie has swallowed his campaign's line that he did not compete in NH. He did, the liberal politician got pulverized.

4 posted on 01/30/2008 11:23:27 AM PST by dashing doofus (Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber)
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To: Clemenza; All

i think NRO has it - the Guliani campaign collapse - just right; while the main line being delivered up in the traitorous media is that voters disagreed with his strong anti-terrorism pitch. They didn’t disagree with it, it just wasn’t enough.


5 posted on 01/30/2008 11:24:24 AM PST by Wuli
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To: Clemenza
Here is a large reason why Julie Annie lost:

http://www.liberalparty.org/Feb94Page1.html

He tried to get people to focus only on 9/11, 9/11, 9/11, but the head fake failed. People who didn't know him realized he has a liberal agenda: anti 2A, pro-abortion, pro gay rights agenda, etc.

Plus, his bizarre personal life makes Clinton's look almost normal.

6 posted on 01/30/2008 11:28:46 AM PST by dashing doofus (Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber)
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To: dashing doofus

Someone commented in the American Spectator some time ago about Rudy’s “weirdness” factor.


7 posted on 01/30/2008 11:29:22 AM PST by Clemenza (Ronald Reagan was a "Free Traitor", Like Me ;-))
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To: Clemenza

Yeah. He is out there. I happen to know about him pretty well, because I lived in NY during his term.

His photos in drag used to appear in the local newspapers. A real Republican cannot possibly get elected in NYC. Impossible.


8 posted on 01/30/2008 11:32:19 AM PST by dashing doofus (Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber)
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9 posted on 01/30/2008 11:45:46 AM PST by Theresawithanh (Oh joy, McLame or Mittens?)
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To: Clemenza; calcowgirl; TommyDale; George W. Bush; Condor51; ARE SOLE; Reagan Man; ...

Rooty got backing and money to run b/c he knelt in obeisance to his backers’ fervent desire to takeover the Repub Party——to religiously cleanse the party and to kick so/cons to the curb.

Many astute Repub conservatives saw this evolve—— Repubs were winning bigtime. RINO types were itching to come over and squat in the party to get some of that power BUT THEY DETEST SO/CONS.

The dumbo squatters never factored in that Repubs CANNOT AND WILL NOT WIN without so/cons.

RINO Rooty’s flop proved that in spades.


10 posted on 01/30/2008 11:47:29 AM PST by Liz (Rooty's not getting my guns or the name of my hairdresser.)
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To: Liz

High five Liz!


11 posted on 01/30/2008 11:50:59 AM PST by ARE SOLE (Agents Ramos and Campean are in prison at this very moment.. (A "Concerned Citizen".)
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To: Clemenza
Rudy really knew his city, New York. But he couldn’t belive, like many coastal elite, that there was a different country, even countries in America. And, like a lot of coastal elitists, he thought he could snooker, beat, convince, win over fly over country. He was wrong.

It happens.

The center of American population is south and west of St. Louis. And moving southern and western every year.

12 posted on 01/30/2008 11:54:41 AM PST by Leisler
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To: Liz
Excuse my pride, but in the light of day, I like my work even more:


13 posted on 01/30/2008 11:54:49 AM PST by Petronski (People get the kind of government they deserve.)
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To: ARE SOLE

Yeah man-—REALLY high. LOL.


14 posted on 01/30/2008 11:58:24 AM PST by Liz (Rooty's not getting my guns or the name of my hairdresser.)
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To: Liz

There shouldn’t be anything called a ‘so/con’. Only conservatives and RINO’s.

Using so/con is the same as giving ground to Rudy and his like.


15 posted on 01/30/2008 12:06:03 PM PST by donna (Perhaps if republicans would adhere to the Bible’s first 10 Commandments they wouldn’t need an 11th.)
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To: Clemenza

For me, it was all over for Rudy when he pulled the phony “phone call from the wife” routine while speaking before the NRA.


16 posted on 01/30/2008 12:13:37 PM PST by AdaGray
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To: Liz
Holy moly. Stanley Kurtz is channeling you.
Or he's a Lurker and has read all your posts. What he's saying in a gazillion words comes down to what you've said from the beginning... (paraphrasing)
Rooty's plan is to kick Conservatives to the curb.

Now to work on RINO McInsane, and in less than one week. That'll be a bit tougher - but I think we FReepers can do it ;-)

(on the upside I can now dump all my Rooty files, pics, gifs and articles, and free up some Hard Drive space)

17 posted on 01/30/2008 12:15:30 PM PST by Condor51 (I wouldn't vote for McInsane, ever -- even if Waterboarded!)
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To: Leisler
The funny thing is that many, if not most of Rudy's NY crew were strictly C-listers from Staten Island, who think they are more sophisticated than middle America even as they are mocked by A-list Manhattanites.

Rudy is strictly BiCoastal, and joining a Houston law firm did nothing to change that.

18 posted on 01/30/2008 12:18:13 PM PST by Clemenza (Ronald Reagan was a "Free Traitor", Like Me ;-))
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To: Liz

I wonder precisely how much Rudy raised in funds, versus how much he actually spent on the campaign? In other words, how much went into his own pockets?


19 posted on 01/30/2008 12:25:45 PM PST by TommyDale (Never forget the Republicans who voted for illegal immigrant amnesty in 2007!)
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To: Clemenza
Rudy lost because he dissed social conservatives. In fact, the reason Giuliani missed those early primaries is because he dissed social conservatives.

Exactly. That is THE reason Giuliani lost.

An atrocious record on social issues is also why Willard Romney will not be nominee.

20 posted on 01/30/2008 12:27:43 PM PST by Ol' Sparky (Liberal Republicans are the greater of two evils)
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