Posted on 01/29/2008 11:55:19 AM PST by Sideshow Bob
John McCain = bipolar moderate
So Huckabee has won something since Iowa? Huckabee wasn't for increased government spending and taxation in Arkansas? Neither? I guess the "utter garbage" has the stench of truth.
Not believable. Dobson strives to DEFINE evangelical thought, especially in regards to politics. If he's not steering thought, he's wasting a lot of money putting that there radio show on the air and writing them books. And the people listening and reading must be just enjoying the entertainment.
I'm from Missouri.
And I'm an Evangelical.
And I revile the "Evangelical movement" (as exemplified by Dobson and Huckabee) here on FR.
And I have a pretty solid understanding of salvation by grace through faith tied to the believer's responsibility to make disciples while going into all the world.
And I don't recall ever using the term bigot of anyone who is to the right of Joe Lieberman.
But other than that, you were spot on. It's like you were psychic.
Interesting point. If a complete socialist (not just a pink-tinged 3rd-wave Pubbie like Huckabee) endorsed the DOMA and RLA, would they get the same unwavering, blind support Huckabee has garnered?
Did you read the article? That is what he said!
Contrast that with the ability to take everything a Huckster says at face value without batting an eyelid and it becomes some sort of alternate universe.
I've never said or implied that I take anything Huckabee says "at face value without batting an eyelid" much less "everything".
No sane person would have read the article you quoted and thought that Fred was talking about Christianity in general when he said the quote you posted.
OK mr/mrs sanity, what was he talking about, the price of tea in China? Did you read the article?
Why you feel the need to continue to paint him in a negative light after he's dropped out is indicative that you have nothing left to fight for in the election.
I'm not attacking Thompson, I've been defending Dobson.
Which is indicative of how effective the strategy of the Evangelical Right was overall.
The "Evangelical Right" have no strategy. We have all sorts of different denomonations, pundits, leaders and opinions and absolutely no organization to tell us what to do. No sane person would think otherwise :-). We've been voting all over the place just like the rest of the conservatives. If we had an unmistakable Evangelical Conservative to vote for as a block we probably would because we could understand his worldview and trust him.
I won't be voting for Romney or McCain, I think that Huckabee still has a chance but my hope is not in him anyway.
I'm sorry I offended you but I hope we can agree to pray for Thompson and our nation. Both will need lots of prayers.
NOOOOO! Dobson was describing just HIS point of view.
You have got to stop thinking that evangelicals are uniform in their thought and action. And neither you nor even the holy and infallible Dr. James Dobson speak on behalf of all evangelicals.
To be certain, Dobson is influential - not as influential as he believed in his attempt to play GOP kingmaker - but very influential within certain religious circles.
Since you appear to have a reading comprehension disability, I will repeat this one point of many contained witihn my vanity post - Dobson's unprovoked attack on Thompson was the most signifcant recent mistake in the continuing decline of conservatism within the Republican Party.
Psst, the word is spelled P S Y C H O T I C.
So it is your position that all of Huckabee's support is because Dobson told them to do so? That's the only reason you can believe?
Wow. Then Fred really screwed up, didn't he? The man spoke a few words and moved something close to 60% of Fred's numbers over to Huckabee. I guess Fred shoulda made nice.
So you’re a smartass too.
Congraulations Mo.
Ahem. We are now entering the 8th year of the presidency of an evangelical conservative. I fully understand his worldview and trust his integrity. While I believe his faith was a boon in dealing with 9-11 and its aftermath, it has been an anethema in advancing conservative positions on immigration and government spending.
It’s better to be a smartass than a dumbass.
Correct.
Did you read the article? That is what he said!
The article simply said that reporters asked him to clarify his statements on religion. They did not say, "What do you think of Christianity?" Nor did they say, "What do you think of Jesus?" You say that he answered a question that wasn't in fact asked. And yes, I did "read the article." Weird that someone would read an article and come to a diametrically opposite point of view on it. I'm betting this isn't the first time.
OK mr/mrs sanity, what was he talking about, the price of tea in China? Did you read the article?
He was not going to say "I believe in Jesus so you can vote for me" or any other sundry throwaway dumb quotes which mean absolutely nothing in a political campaign ("I go to church twice a week." "Jesus Christ is my personal Lord and Savior, now vote for me.")
He said, in effect, I'm not going to toot my own religious credentials to try to hype my candidacy. I respect him for that. I probably would have done the same thing. It's probably the reason that his candidacy ended this early. But it's probably the reason he'll be able to look himself in the mirror in the morning with integrity and self-respect intact. I'm not sure a Republican candidate left in the race can do that. Ron Paul probably could, but mirrors aren't in the Constitution so he doesn't have one.
I'm not attacking Thompson, I've been defending Dobson.
By attacking Thompson. It can't be both ways. Dobson can't be a highly intelligent and articulate defender of the faith and simultaneously be unaware how his statements about Thompson would be perceived and used.
Both will need lots of prayers
Why would Thompson need any more prayer than my Aunt Barb?
And I see you're gracious when proven wrong.
Congrats, wardaddy.
ROTFL
no less gracious than you who replied as a condescending wiseass to my sincere post
so don’t cry when you get some of your own medicine back at you...that’s so female passive agressive
btw....it probably escaped you and sideshow but you both exemplify what I was alluding to
congrats again
Nah, I understood that your comment was directed at me. But since it made no sense and had no basis in fact, I chose to ignore it.
Not just Dobson. It's much more organic than that. It's local pastors. It's email chains. Homeschool associations. But if you gave them a quiz on the difference between the Supreme Court's overturning Roe v. Wade and a RLA, I don't think the simple majority of them could quantify them to any real degree. And they would be glad to have either one. And if they can't quantify the difference between the two, why are they suddenly and adamantly opposed to one of the positions? Because they were told to be.
So, attacking a person who holds a slightly different position strategically while aiming to accomplish the same goal is the epitome of stupidity. And Huckabee attacked Thompson, knowing that that was where he could gain support. He didn't attack McCain, even when McCain stood between him and victory in South Carolina. Any reports of push-polling against McCain by Huck's surrogates at Common Sense Issues? I didn't think so. Does McCain support a RLA? I didn't think so.
In short, seeing a vast sea of difference where's there's really only a stream of difference in tactic and magnifying that difference into a question Peter's going to ask us at the pearly gates is exactly what was done to Thompson by Huckabee's campaign and his willing supporters in Evangelicaldom. Cynical and machiavellian. Which Jesus is way down with. As long as we advance the cause, right?
If you could direct me to the parts which were sincere, that would be great.
it probably escaped you and sideshow but you both exemplify what I was alluding to
Um...except "exemplify" has an actual meaning. And it does not mean "wrong on every single solitary point."
I know that but since Dr. Dobson is an Evangelical, and I am an Evangelical and he described my point of view, a point of view about Thompson that I have corroborated with my family and lot of other Evangelical Christians, I'd say that Dobson nailed it this time. He did not influence me, he just agrees with me. There's a big difference.
I don't think that Dobson attacked Thompson, he simply pointed out, in a conversation with a reporter, that Thompson did not appear to be Christian, a fact that did not help him with evangelicals. That's all. I believe that if Thompson had assured Dobson, in private conversation, that he believed that Jesus had died to save him from his sins, that Dobson would have proclaimed "Thank God we have a Conservative Christian running for the presidency!!!". If Thompson is a Christian, he should not have been ashamed or afraid to say so. But he simply wouldn't say so. He is what he is and he ain't what he ain't but thank God that can change if God wants it to.
Nice post BTW. I agree with many of the mistakes you listed.
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