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The Death of Conservatism? - 43 Mistakes and the GOP's Dobson's Choice
Sideshow Bob | January 29, 2008 | Sideshow Bob

Posted on 01/29/2008 11:55:19 AM PST by Sideshow Bob

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To: Sideshow Bob

Oh come on! How could he have a worse temperment than Hillary?


301 posted on 01/29/2008 8:54:34 PM PST by DannyTN
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To: DannyTN
Oh come on! How could he have a worse temperment than Hillary?

OK, I'll give some ground here.

If you cross McCain, your body won't be discovered in Ft. Marcy Park with a self-inflicted gunshot wound.

But McCain is known almost universally as one of the most ill-tempered politicians in recent memory.

Shrillary may be worse, but not by much.

302 posted on 01/29/2008 9:02:39 PM PST by Sideshow Bob
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To: the808bass
None of Huckabee's supporters-to-be on the ground thought this until they were told that's what they were to think.

I am talking of FReeper concerns before the rise of Huckabee, around the time that Fred threw his hat in the ring (and before).

All Huckabee has done is give McCain a shot at the nomination. And 3 or 4 subsequent RINO-living-breathing-Constitutional Justices. So long overturning Roe v. Wade. Good show. Really well done.

If Fred had been more tactful in his approach, and less concerned about his "I'm my own man" rhetoric, If Fred had been farsighted enough to attend to the SoCons as much as he did to the libertarian and security factions, there would not have been a Huckabee.

show us how a DOMA or RLA would be enacted by President Huckabee.

I will say (as I have before) that I personally don't believe the amendments would pass, though I wouldn't put it past the Christian Right. They are a terrible force if they get a burr under their saddle.

Perhaps you'd be the one Huckabee supporter

I am not, nor have I ever been a Huckabee supporter. As a matter of disclosure, I am a proud 1%er, a rock-ribbed Reagan Conservative. I supported Hunter until he bowed out, and I now support Dr. Alan Keyes.

303 posted on 01/29/2008 9:10:21 PM PST by roamer_1 (Conservative always, Republican no more. Keyes '08)
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To: Sideshow Bob

Oh yeah, there is that Arkancide phenomenon.


304 posted on 01/29/2008 9:14:48 PM PST by DannyTN
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To: roamer_1
I now support Dr. Alan Keyes.

lol

Silly me for attempting to use reason, logic and critical thinking in our discussions.

Thanks for playing, we have some lovely parting gifts for you.

305 posted on 01/29/2008 9:17:33 PM PST by Sideshow Bob
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To: Sideshow Bob
Silly me for attempting to use reason, logic and critical thinking in our discussions.

And that speaks volumes about you. :)

306 posted on 01/29/2008 9:20:25 PM PST by roamer_1 (Conservative always, Republican no more. Keyes '08)
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To: roamer_1
I am talking of FReeper concerns before the rise of Huckabee, around the time that Fred threw his hat in the ring (and before).

Which is why I called them supporters-to-be. They didn't know when Fred put his hat in the ring that they were not supposed to like him until they were told. That's when his support dropped from the level he had when he announced. Huck had a surge after that when he was anointed for the evangelicals.

If Fred had been farsighted enough to attend to the SoCons as much as he did to the libertarian and security factions, there would not have been a Huckabee.

Yeah. If only he'd gotten an endorsment from some SoCon groups. Like RTL or something. If only... I'll admit, I didn't think us evangelicals were this politically naive. But we were. People at my non-denominational charismatic church were amazed that I dared to question Huckabee's candidacy. "Isn't he the guy who believes in ALL the GOOD THINGS?" Direct quote. It is tough to admit that our strength in politics on the Religious Right comes from our numbers and dedication, not our smarts. But there it is.

I supported Hunter until he bowed out, and I now support Dr. Alan Keyes.

Very well, then. My apologies for calling you a Huckabee supporter.

307 posted on 01/29/2008 9:28:14 PM PST by the808bass
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To: the808bass
I'll admit, I didn't think us evangelicals were this politically naive. But we were. People at my non-denominational charismatic church were amazed that I dared to question Huckabee's candidacy. "Isn't he the guy who believes in ALL the GOOD THINGS?" Direct quote. It is tough to admit that our strength in politics on the Religious Right comes from our numbers and dedication, not our smarts. But there it is.

Amen, brother. It sounds like you've been talking to some of my distant relatives. My immediate family appears to have been blessed with all of the intelligence genes.

308 posted on 01/29/2008 9:35:57 PM PST by Sideshow Bob
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To: the808bass
Yeah. If only he'd gotten an endorsment from some SoCon groups. Like RTL or something.

For your edification, NRTL is to Pro-Life as NRA is to the 2nd Amendment... It has sullied itself enough that it doesn't have the influence folks think it does... Hit the Pro-Life websites and blogs and you will see my point.

Very well, then. My apologies

NP :D

309 posted on 01/29/2008 9:47:02 PM PST by roamer_1 (Conservative always, Republican no more. Keyes '08)
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To: roamer_1
Hit the Pro-Life websites and blogs and you will see my point.

Again, you are making obscure points which the average voter has no knowledge of. They did what they were told. Every additional post you make highlights that point.

310 posted on 01/29/2008 10:01:40 PM PST by the808bass
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To: Sideshow Bob
For a time, the scheme worked. Huckabee won Iowa (Mistake #38), but eventually the truth of Huckabee's Christian Socialism became evident to most conservatives.

Utter garbage. You should be ashamed.

311 posted on 01/29/2008 10:03:52 PM PST by unspun (Mike Huckabee: Government's job is "protect us, not have to provide for us." Duncan Hunter knows.)
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To: daylilly
Thompson Says He's No Churchgoer, Won't Tout Religion on Stump

Asked by reporters later to clarify his stance on religion, Thompson said: ``Me getting up and talking about what a wonderful person I am and that sort of thing, I'm not comfortable with that, and I don't think it does me any good. People will make up their own mind about that, and that's the way I like it.''

Christianity = "getting up and talking about what a wonderful person I am"

No, I think I understand and sadly we had to "make up" our "own mind about that".

312 posted on 01/29/2008 10:08:53 PM PST by Theophilus (Nothing can make Americans safer than to stop aborting them.)
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To: Sideshow Bob

Nice except for:

Fred Thompson lost this all on his own....period.

The first two debates sucked ....and that’s just for starters.

His failure will be studied about how not to run for President.

Blaming that on Huckster and Dobson is far too generous to Fred.

I think you left out as well 1) No VP running, 2) ungreat legacy from sitting POTUS, 3) too many friggin candidates which will always favor a moderate


313 posted on 01/29/2008 10:16:24 PM PST by wardaddy (Political Correctness is to Western Culture what the Aids virus is to the cake community)
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To: Antoninus

Me too.....FR seems overrun with folks who loathe actual social conservatives....particularly southern Protestants yet they bigot bait over anyone dare question a Mormon....


314 posted on 01/29/2008 10:17:58 PM PST by wardaddy (Political Correctness is to Western Culture what the Aids virus is to the cake community)
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To: unspun
Utter garbage. You should be ashamed.

I agree. Mike Huckabee's sham candidacy was/is utter garbage. I'm completely ashamed that he is running under the Republican banner.

315 posted on 01/29/2008 10:21:55 PM PST by Sideshow Bob
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To: Theophilus
Christianity = "getting up and talking about what a wonderful person I am"

Your propensity to believe the absolute worst about a man who has done nothing to deserve that is bizarre. Contrast that with the ability to take everything a Huckster says at face value without batting an eyelid and it becomes some sort of alternate universe. No sane person would have read the article you quoted and thought that Fred was talking about Christianity in general when he said the quote you posted.

Why you feel the need to continue to paint him in a negative light after he's dropped out is indicative that you have nothing left to fight for in the election. Which is indicative of how effective the strategy of the Evangelical Right was overall. You did get rid of Thompson. Too bad about Romney and McCain. They're the only two left with a chance. One is a Mormon who has been no friend to right-to-lifers in the past. The other will nominate judges somewhere to the left of Stephens and Souter and call them "bipartisan moderates."

316 posted on 01/29/2008 10:22:30 PM PST by the808bass
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To: American_Centurion
Just because issue a statement isn’t “technically” correct doesn’t negate the fact that Dobson’s point was to steer Christians who listen to him AWAY from Thompson.

Dobson was describing the Evangelical Christian point of view, he was not steering it. If he was, why would he begin his sentence with "Everybody knows Fred is a conservative"?

I have made a personal decision to scrutinize Dobson’s statements because of that.

That's a very good idea. You should always scrutinize everyone's statements.

Acts 17
10 And the brethren immediately sent away Paul and Silas by night unto Berea: who coming thither went into the synagogue of the Jews.
11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.

317 posted on 01/29/2008 10:22:41 PM PST by Theophilus (Nothing can make Americans safer than to stop aborting them.)
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To: DannyTN

I agree.

ever notice those who revile “Evangelicals” here tend to be from certain parts of the country

parts that haven’t elected conservatives in a generation

coincidence?

and half the fools here think anyone who believes in salvation and ain’t Catholic is an Evilgelical
(and these are often the same folks who shout bigot at every turn)

what a smear campaign.....I’m about sick of it

Fred Thompson ran a horrible.....horrible campaign...and I gave him a lot of damned money...1000s


318 posted on 01/29/2008 10:22:44 PM PST by wardaddy (Political Correctness is to Western Culture what the Aids virus is to the cake community)
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To: Sideshow Bob
I agree. Mike Huckabee's sham candidacy was/is utter garbage. I'm completely ashamed that he is running under the Republican banner.

I imagine you haven't had a guy in the race since Coolidge.

319 posted on 01/29/2008 10:28:32 PM PST by unspun (Mike Huckabee: Government's job is "protect us, not have to provide for us." Duncan Hunter knows.)
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To: dinoparty
LOL, who will replace them? Those tens of millions of libertarians out there just yearning to find a party home? LOL.

Who would replace the evangelicals? Well, if you want a similar political bent, there are lots of socialists out there.

320 posted on 01/29/2008 10:29:46 PM PST by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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