Posted on 01/29/2008 11:55:19 AM PST by Sideshow Bob
I agree - conservatives don't fight hard enough for their own.
Yea I know. I saw it. Only it wasn’t a mistake to view Fred as a bad candidate. It was correct.
Interesting argument, but ultimately not persuasive. Fred truly was a HORRIBLE candidate. See? Where is he now?
I’m in!
Be nice to be excited about a run again..
This is a good piece. Thanks for posting it.
We ought to be focusing on how to be more effective as conservatives, maybe take back the Republican party, do something positive. Like supporting good congressional candidates, good Senators if you can find them.
Instead about all I see is people saying who they are going to vote for. It doesn’t make a clown’s hat full of difference who anybody votes for with this lackluster group. That is all most freepers want to do, and it is the most useless exercise in futility this year.
I haven’t read the posts yet, I will, but I would love to be surprised. This is a good post to discuss what should we do now?
I would have agreed with 4 months ago. Now, I’m not so sure.
Regardless, that was a nice piece of work you did.
LOL. Don’t be ridiculous. I like Rush, but you must be blind as a bat if you don’t see that his show thrives on (1) defending his guy against liberals, (2) criticizing liberals.
If McCain is elected, he will take many conservative positions on the WOT, Iraq, etc. Rush can either defend him (which goes against everything he has said up until now), criticize him anyway (and thereby be in cahoots with liberals) or ignore him. Anyway you cut it, ambiguity will reign, which is not good for a show such as his.
That's never going to happen. Look at all the people, even passionate, politically involved folks here on FR, who actually argue in favor of things like higher taxes, or "assault weapons" bans, when their GOP candidate supports said taxes and gun bans. That is all the proof I need that we are not going to be unified enough to hold any of these would-be GOP presidents' feet to the fire.
Look at all the folks right here on FR who vehemently opposed any criticism of W. or the GOP Congress, until at least 2006?
"Team" think and pack mentality is human nature. Only when people are threatened by an outside source do we get truly unified (Orwell covered this in 1984).
You’re selling him short is what I’m saying. He’ll find a way to spin it to his advantage, million$ rest on it.
He didn't "issue a statement", he expressed his analytical opinion in a conversation with a U.S. News & World Report reporter. I don't think Thompson is a Christian because he has never given anyone any reason to believe that he is. What is so hard about confessing Jesus?
Luke 9
25 For what is a man advantaged, if he gain the whole world, and lose himself, or be cast away?
26 For whosoever shall be ashamed of me and of my words, of him shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he shall come in his own glory, and in his Father's, and of the holy angels.
Romans 10
9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
Mark 16
15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
I agree with you. We Christians (Dobson and people like myself) have a delicate balance. To be in the world and not of it. When we become of it, things like Jim and Tammy Baker happen and the world views us as hypocrites (and rightfully so). When we focus on the other world, we are accused of not being engaged and part of the problem (again rightfully so). When dealing in politics, you are dealing with the art of the possible; Christians tend to be ideal and frown at compromises that are politically expedient.
I understand your disappointment in Mr. Dobson. Mr. Dobson is anything but expedient. I love the work he has done, but he is just another fallen human and I think on the issue of Fred, he fell again. Occasionally on Free Republic and in the MSM regularly, I hear the pitting of fiscal, constitutional and social conservatives against each other. I don't buy it. We do have some problems and they should be dealt with openly and honestly, but we have a great coalition that has a lot more in common than differences.
I appreciate your well thought out post. I hope I wasn't too preachy.
I said "Christian sponsored", not "Christ sponsored". As far as papal addresses are concerned, I wouldn't know. I ain't a Catholic.
And there is a difference between opposing an amendment and endorsing a patronizing and losing political effort.
A hardheaded and ill-conceived path. The result, considering his already shaky position with the Christians, was predictable (and was in fact predicted right here on FR). A poorly taken stance (regardless of the reason)for one hoping to be elected and needing the Christian Right's aid in that regard.
As for McCain-Feingold, Fred completely disavowed his former support for that abomination on free speech.
The damage was already done. His change of position might be forgiven by the masses, but certainly not so amid the organizations, and that shut him out of the Christian networks- Networks that dwarf anything the Republicans currently have, including Conservative Talk Radio.
But I seem to recall that an evangelical Christian George W. Bush) signed that bill into law.
Yes. Thanks for that reminder. Certainly a big reason not to support the moderate Baker wing. They do seem bent upon removing the Bill of Rights. Especially when they get to work together like that.
I fail to see how Fred's appearance at a sparsely attended [...] would have seriously impacted the race,
It's not hard to see, you're looking at it right now.
The problem with your post is, there is no half a loaf with any of them. None of them has a history of governing or advocating conservative principles in the past so there is no assurance of what they will do if elected. Promises don’t mean anything this year.
There is no lesser of two evils. If these RINOs act like they have in the past they will be just as bad or worse than the rats.
>>>No, Huckabee is not a socialist.<<<
You are a rare breed. Every conservative I know is convinced the Huckster is a socialist (Marxist).
>>>I don’t personally dislike Romney because he is a Mormon. But I think electing a Mormon to the office of President, legitimizes Mormonism. Mormonism is a severe distortion of true Christianity. So severe, that almost all mainstream Christian organizations consider Mormonism to not be Christian. It’s absolutely the wrong signal to send to the youth of this country. So if need be, I will vote for a democrat to keep Romney out of office.<<<
My God, you are a bigot!
Answer this: have you ever met a bad or mean Mormon (ignore Harry Reid, whom I assume you have never met, and also whom I assume is not a Mormon)? And what does Jesus say about whom to trust? Well, the devil appears in sheep’s clothing (for example, a Marxist (socialist) claiming to be a minister of Christ). The others? Ye shall know them by their fruits.
That said, how many mean Mormons have you known. None, I’ll bet. Now, how many mean “Christians” have you known? Plenty, I’ll bet.
My point is, judging a man because of his Christian denomination is venturing into hypocritical territory. Besides, it violates the very Constitution (the one I’ll bet you claim to support and defend) which forbids a religious test for public office. And, as aforementioned, it violates the teachings of Jesus Christ (remember, there was, at least, one Good Samaritan).
And that is precisely why the Conservative movement will always reside in the country.
Well, duh. It's called a play on words.
not the end, another turn of events. the dems are the ones imploding.
How many conversations and meetings did Dobson have with Thompson? Dobson has never heard me confess Jesus either, am I not a Christian?
Speaking to a reporter is the equivalent of issuing a statement, a press release, or going on any talk show. Just because issue a statement isn’t “technically” correct doesn’t negate the fact that Dobson’s point was to steer Christians who listen to him AWAY from Thompson.
If I wanted to get “technical” I could accuse Dobson of breaking the Ninth Commandment, but I don’t know for sure if he meant it that way, and that’s for God to judge. I have made a personal decision to scrutinize Dobson’s statements because of that.
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