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Atheism Is the New Black
The Smart Set ^ | 23 January 2008 | Jessa Crispin

Posted on 01/29/2008 9:35:30 AM PST by forkinsocket

In the house I grew up in, there was no god but Science, and the PBS Nova programming was his prophet. There was a little-g god, as we attended church every week, but we were just there for the dose of morality and the teachings of Jesus. So what if we did not believe in concepts like heaven or hell, probably not the devil, and now that you mention it, that idea of an omnipotent creator? Going to church wouldn’t do us any harm. There is no fire and brimstone with Methodists — just a few hymns, a quiet sermon, and a potluck lunch in the basement sure to include casseroles made with Campbell’s Cream of Mushroom soup.

God did not follow us home. My father did not lead us in prayer at dinner, but he did design chemistry experiments for me and my sisters to perform in the basement, to be followed by detailed lab reports. I never saw him awed at church, only when he woke us at 2 a.m., wrapped us in quilts, and took us outside to watch meteor showers. And he was perhaps the only father who regaled his family with a spot-on Carl Sagan impression. (“Dad, how many slices of pizza are left?” “Billions and billions! Oh wait, no, I ate the last one.”)

This was in Kansas, a state that produced Fred Phelps and his “God Hates Fags” protests, a state the decided (mercifully briefly) that the theory of evolution was just pulled out of Darwin’s ass. After I left, I was as cagey as a backpacker in Europe about my state of origin, wanting to sew a Nebraska flag onto my pack. I later became terrified of the world leaders suddenly discussing the End of Days and throwing the word “crusade” around. Relief came when the latest trend in publishing turned out to be atheist manifestoes. Finally. Some rational thinking. I lunged at Christopher Hitchens’s God Is Not Great, Sam Harris’s The End of Faith, and Richard Dawkins’s The God Delusion. They will show us the way.

Imagine my surprise, then, when it turned out I was becoming as embarrassed to be associated with atheists as I had been with Kansans. First there was Dawkins’ calling an education in religious faith — even moderate faith — “child abuse.” Sam Harris chided religious moderates for being “in large part, responsible for the religious conflict in our world.” They didn’t simply want an end to fundamentalism or the use of religious doctrine in governmental policy. They treated Christians as if they all believed the Earth was only 6,000 years old, and Muslims as if they were all strapped with explosives. If you pray to Jesus when your world is falling apart, or blame Mercury being in retrograde when your car won’t start, you are part of the problem.

As I read, I kept thinking there was no way all three writers were so naïve as to think faith is the real problem, that there wouldn’t always be people who are in a state of vulnerability and manipulators lying in wait to take advantage of them. They created a chasm between believers and nonbelievers that wasn’t really there, and used the same “with us or against us” language that dragged the country into war. They can fling books at each other for as long as they like, but they’re not going to change any minds. Imagine telling someone at the end of their rope, “Suffering has no eternal purpose, we’re just a chemical accident. All you need is math and the scientific method!” The believer is more likely to jump into the chasm than cross it.

Strangely, Christopher Hitchens’s God Is Not Great is the closest of the trio to being a worthwhile read. Hitchens, who is beholden to no one and wrote a book calling Mother Teresa a sadist, is the perfect man to illuminate religions’ histories. When he is simply attacking religion, like when he points out the sinister origins of the Mormon faith, he can have moments of brilliance. But he ultimately makes the same mistake as Harris and Dawkins and equates God with religion.

None of them pause to consider the possibility that divinity could exist without religion. It’s obvious no one in this group has bothered to read any theology. Their attacks are as shallow as their research. Harris, Hitchens, and Dawkins are scientists, journalists, and pundits — not philosophers. That’s fine when they’re dealing with religious history, but when they try to stare down the divine they are out of their league.

The strict adherence to rationality seemed, well, irrational. They scoff at anyone who would stake their life and happiness on something for which there is insufficient evidence. It sounds like a real argument, doesn’t it? But in God and the New Atheism: A Critical Response to Dawkins, Harris, and Hitchens theologian John F. Haught reminds us what exactly that means: “In my interpersonal knowledge… the evidence that someone loves me is hard to measure, but it can be very real nonetheless.” I wanted Haught’s entire book to be like this statement: a warm-blooded medium between the atheists’ cold logic and the fundamentalists’ fiery fury.

Instead, we’re back at the chasm. Just as Dawkins et al. refuse to understand that some people have a strong emotional need for faith, Haught cannot understand that for some people the idea of an omnipotent creator would send the logical order of the universe into a cause/effect tailspin. At least he understands that there are problems with how God is used in religion, and how that might send moderates running to the other end of the spectrum. “Sensitive souls in every period of religious history can grow weary of the unsatisfactory ways in which contemporary religions represent their ideal.” He continues, “Reading certain passages in the Bible, including the Christian Scriptures, can be a dangerous and bewildering experience if one has not first gained some sense of the Bible’s overarching themes.”

He is convinced, however, that Christianity is the way. His solution to doubt is “a good college-level course in biblical literature, or being part of a Bible study group informed by up-to-date scholarship.” Haught pities atheists, and it’s quite possible he’s never actually met one. “You would be required to summon up an unprecedented degree of courage if you plan to wipe away the whole horizon of transcendence. Are you willing to risk madness? If not, then you are not really an atheist.” I imagine he thinks all atheists look like Sartre, existing only on cigarettes and depraved sexual acts.

Both parties point to Darwin as the origin of the schism, and indeed the debate has been raging ever since “Where did we come from?” had an answer other than “God.” Haught chastises the others for not having read William James’s essay “The Will to Believe.” James wrote it in 1896 in response to “that delicious enfant terrible” W. K. Clifford’s assertion that faith was sinful. “It is sinful because it is stolen in defiance of our duty to mankind,” Clifford wrote. “That duty is to guard ourselves from such beliefs as from a pestilence which may shortly master our own body and then spread to the rest of the town… It is wrong always, everywhere, and for everyone, to believe anything upon insufficient evidence.”

Sound familiar? Harris, Hitchens, and Dawkins, all declare God a failed hypothesis because of “insufficient evidence,” and both Dawkins and Harris accuse the moderately faithful of opening the door to extremism. But while Haught responds with a tangent about the Christian God’s demand for blind faith and that “to worship anything finite is idolatrous,” James does not bother with all that because he is not tied to any religious viewpoint. He is an empiricist. It comes down to a choice: Do you wait for God to hold a press conference before you believe in him, or do you allow yourself to trust that there is a dimension to the world we cannot access? Dawkins would call you a fool for choosing the latter, and Haught might saddle you down with dogma and force order onto your belief. But James simply states:

Believe nothing, [Clifford] tells us, keep your mind in suspense forever, rather than by closing it on insufficient evidence incur the awful risk of believing lies… I myself find it impossible to go with Clifford. [H]e who says “Better go without belief forever than believe a lie!” merely shows his own preponderant private horror of becoming a dupe… For my own part, I also have a horror of being a dupe; but I can believe that there are worse things than being duped may happen to a man in this world… In a world where we are certain to incur [errors] in spite of all our caution, a certain lightness of heart seems healthier than this excessive nervousness on their behalf.

It’s a much more useful response because James does not picture the people on either side of the debate as fools or cowards or heathens. The books by atheists will continue to be released now that publishers know they’re profitable, and the religious and theological responses will follow. It will all cause a lot of ruckus and flared tempers. We can only hope that some old-fashioned civility will be reintroduced as the fight rages on.


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1 posted on 01/29/2008 9:35:32 AM PST by forkinsocket
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To: forkinsocket
All fights reach their peak and only the survivors move forward.... Onward Christian Soldiers.... marching off to the ‘war’.....
2 posted on 01/29/2008 9:42:01 AM PST by Just mythoughts (Isa.3:4 And I will give children to be their princes, and babes shall rule over them.)
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To: forkinsocket
"...the same mistake as Harris and Dawkins and equates God with religion."

Beautiful, just beautiful.

God created man and then man created religion....hundreds of thousands of them........

3 posted on 01/29/2008 9:50:17 AM PST by yoe ( NO THIRD TERM FOR THE CLINTON'S!!!)
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To: yoe

could someone, ANYONE, please tell me what part(s) of the Christian Scriptures (New Testament?) are quote “a dangerous and bewildering experience” unquote ?


4 posted on 01/29/2008 10:05:26 AM PST by wayne_b24 (every day in the Light is a good day ... John 8:12 & 14:6; Psalm 119:105; Joshua 24:15)
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To: yoe
God created man and then man created religion....hundreds of thousands of them........

Atheism is just another one. Its Holy Books are no less filled with stringent rules designed by men for their own benefit than the others are.

5 posted on 01/29/2008 10:08:27 AM PST by Mr. Jeeves ("Wise men don't need to debate; men who need to debate are not wise." -- Tao Te Ching)
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To: forkinsocket
I don't know why, but that essay brought me back to Colgate Field in West Orange, N.J. when I was twelve.

We were playing baseball, I was in right field.

A high fly ball was hit to me. As I ran under it, I tripped, and the ball bounced off my head and to the ground.

After picking it up and throwing it to the second baseman, I muttered a loud "Jesus Christ".

Being an Altar Boy, and knowing that I had just committed a sin of great magnitude, I covered my head with my glove, waiting for the lightning bolt that was certainly going to strike me.

It never came.

It was then that I realized that GOD was very busy doing what GOD does.


These many years later ... I still believe that.

6 posted on 01/29/2008 10:09:12 AM PST by G.Mason (And what is intelligence if not the craft of out-thinking our adversaries?)
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To: forkinsocket
“Instead, we’re back at the chasm. Just as Dawkins et al. refuse to understand that some people have a strong emotional need for faith, Haught cannot understand that for some people the idea of an omnipotent creator would send the logical order of the universe into a cause/effect tailspin. At least he understands that there are problems with how God is used in religion,”

“Belief” that is neither fish nor fowl.

Belief in God without belief in His Order is, if not atheism, a refusal of God as effective as atheism.

If God exists I can’t imagine that He wouldn’t so order the universe that in it’s progress through space it would NECESSARILY impose a choice upon all, no less than gravity is imposed upon all, and thus winnow the wheat from the chaff (Evil from the Good). There is no middle position. You serve Heaven or you serve Hell, period. There is no moderation in Faith, you believe and follow or you don’t. (Which of course makes me an intolerant, evil, narrow minded fundamentalist)Ah well...

When one ‘belief’ is elastic it allows one to rationalize going in another direction when following would be a PITA or a trial.

7 posted on 01/29/2008 10:16:43 AM PST by TalBlack
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To: TalBlack

So, you knowing nothing about my beliefs for instance, only that I’m an atheist, think that I’m serving the Devil?

Looks like somebody took an ax to your logic tree.


8 posted on 01/29/2008 10:58:39 AM PST by Raymann
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To: Raymann

So, you knowing nothing about my beliefs for instance, only that I’m an atheist, think that I’m serving the Devil?

Looks like somebody took an ax to your logic tree.

If there is a God you MUST serve Heaven or hell.
If there is a God YOUR belief or lack thereof doesn’t matter. Where do you see faulty logic here? If you are an atheist and there is in fact a God then you serve hell. Does such reasoning in a Beliver surprise you? If so why?


9 posted on 01/29/2008 11:12:26 AM PST by TalBlack
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To: TalBlack

No, I just thought Prostant beliefs say only evil people go to hell, not every non-Christian.

Second, how do I ‘serve hell’? If I am then at least can I get some back pay :) Anyway, so it doesn’t matter that I’m a good person, better then some professed Christians even? I’m not only going to hell but somehow I work for the Devil also?


10 posted on 01/29/2008 11:25:32 AM PST by Raymann
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To: Raymann
“Anyway, so it doesn’t matter that I’m a good person, better then some professed Christians even?”

The degree to which a Christian follows Christ (or a Jew the Torah) is the only thing that matters in their judgment. We are all judged ALONE. There are popes in hell there are “Christians” in hell there are “good persons” in hell.

Also it isn’t very likely that a person serving himself in matters of conscience and good is going to incidentally parallel God’s commands. He wouldn’t have had to command them if they could happen in a person entirely by accident.

In calling yourself a good person what is your reference? Why can’t I have a reference of my own that is a lot like yours but a little different here or there?

Pretty chaotic, actually. It’s bad enough that the Bible itself is “interpreted” eighty seven hundred billion ways. Add another million or so orders of magnitude to the chaos with entirely made up and personal standards of “Goodness”.

None of this can matter much to you if you don’t even believe in God. Frankly, back when I thought God was nothing more than a security blanket for scared little people' such debate faintly amused me---as I passed it by. However, as a point of logic, what I don’t get is what people imagine the utility to God is of a middle place between His own creation of Good and Evil. This makes no sense whatsoever.

11 posted on 01/29/2008 11:58:40 AM PST by TalBlack
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To: Raymann
"No, I just thought Prostant beliefs say only evil people go to hell, not every non-Christian."

Protestant beliefs say we're ALL evil people. Not one of us is good - not a single one. All the good works of someone even as good as Mother Theresa are but dirty rags in the eyes of the Lord. A very tough position to be in.......thank goodnes we have a Savior, if one just accepts him.

12 posted on 01/29/2008 12:08:46 PM PST by joebuck
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To: joebuck

Ah, so that’s how you get into heaven, admit to yourself that you’re a piece of s*** and there’s nothing you can do about it except beg forgiveness for being born.

Seriously, how do y’all convert people?


13 posted on 01/29/2008 12:17:16 PM PST by Raymann
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To: TalBlack

The reference I use to call myself good is pretty objective, it’s roughly defined as how best I succeed in respecting the rights of other individuals. That means I never initiate the use of force against anyone unless they do so first. Apply that do politics, especially economics, and you can see why I’m a member here.

But I’m still not clear why I serve the devil? I get why you think I’m going to hell (which I find amusing) but not the serving part. Like I said I don’t violate anyone’s rights, last I heard that’s what the devil does.


14 posted on 01/29/2008 12:23:43 PM PST by Raymann
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To: wintertime

ping


15 posted on 01/29/2008 12:30:09 PM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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To: Raymann
“””””The reference I use to call myself good is pretty objective, it’s roughly defined as how best I succeed in respecting the rights of other individuals. That means I never initiate the use of force against anyone unless they do so first. Apply that do politics, especially economics, and you can see why I’m a member here.”””’’

You’re not flashing to something very simple: what is “objective” in the absence of any final or monolithic good? What is the ruler you apply to arrive at your definition of good. Let me put it another way: The only thing keeping anyone who crosses me or in any way pisses me off alive is my respect for God. If we could somehow KNOW that God is infact an invention of man then why should I regard YOUR definitions as in any way meaningful? My conclusions are as sacred to me as anyone elses is to them. Why do you not then become a clump of cells to me? I got news for you if there is no God then that is all you are and you may have another opinion—but that is all it is-—and THAT is my point.

“”””But I’m still not clear why I serve the devil? I get why you think I’m going to hell (which I find amusing) but not the serving part. Like I said I don’t violate anyone’s rights, last I heard that’s what the devil does.””’

The key words are “If there is a God”. If there is a God and he is the author of all things and life is a test for us then it only follows that FROM GOD’S POINT OF VIEW 1.) Serving Him is HARD and 2.)You serve him or you serve hell. As I asked above: what is the utility to God of a third thing? Also: Why does any of this matter to you since if there is, as you believe, no God then there is no devil or hell as well?

16 posted on 01/29/2008 12:43:29 PM PST by TalBlack
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To: joebuck
Not one of us is good - not a single one. All the good works of someone even as good as Mother Theresa are but dirty rags in the eyes of the Lord. A very tough position to be in....

On the contrary, it's a great position to be in if you are an early churchman writing your own rulebook and trying to make a fast pile of gold off the guilt of the uneducated. ;)

17 posted on 01/29/2008 12:54:24 PM PST by Mr. Jeeves ("Wise men don't need to debate; men who need to debate are not wise." -- Tao Te Ching)
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To: TalBlack

Ooops, I meant to comment on this as well.

“””’Like I said I don’t violate anyone’s rights, last I heard that’s what the devil does.””’””’

I have NEVER heard of the Devil violating anyone’s rights! This is a new one on me. The Devil as I understand him is the turning away from God’s Authority. All satan wants you to do is to simply choose his way.


18 posted on 01/29/2008 12:56:35 PM PST by TalBlack
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To: Raymann
"Seriously, how do y’all convert people?"

We leave that to someone else.

19 posted on 01/29/2008 12:57:42 PM PST by joebuck
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To: forkinsocket

bump for later


20 posted on 01/29/2008 12:59:00 PM PST by Richard Kimball
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