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Florida Fred-Head Votes for Mitt Romney
N/A | 2008-01-29 | Patton-at-Bastogne

Posted on 01/29/2008 9:10:42 AM PST by Patton@Bastogne

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Free Republic Colleagues,


Today's a GREAT day in Florida !


Florida Conservatives (especially Christian evangelicals like myself) are enjoying the incredible delight of sending BOTH John "Mc-Amnesty" McCain and Mike "Mc-Amnesty" Huckabee into the dustbin of American political history !


"You go to War with the Army that You have" ... was a phrase oft-repeated by President Bush and Donald "The Man" Rumsfield regarding the (victorious) Iraq-Afghanistan campaigns.


That philosophy was accurately echoed by a fellow Freeper the other day in that ...

"You Go WIN the 2008 Presidential Election with the Candidates that you have."

It's a perfect and timely statement, especially since 99.99 percent of ALL Freepers are genuinely dedicated to their respective political desires.

Yet ... in the end ... VICTORY is what matters ... with the most accomplished, experienced, believable, and mentally-stable Candidate that we have ... Mitt Romney.



Allow me to share last night's conversation with my Dad, a retired U.S. Navy Master Diver, SEALAB II aquanaunt, and EOD-Specialist (including nuclear weapons).

My Dad's a STAUNCH Anti-War Bush-Loathing democrat ... yet despite the painful casualities in Iraq and Afhghanistan ... my Dad admits to a GREAT United States VICTORY there.

And (then) so does the Rest of America ... regardless of the Stalinesque propaganda spewed by MSM socialists.



To my complete amazement, my Dad said that he'd vote for a Romney-Thompson ticket ... as the Clintons are (expletive deleted) FUBAR ... and that Obama has ZERO experience.



I believe that GREAT Days are ahead of us, Conservatives ...

A Romney-Thompson "landslide" in 2008 ... possibly re-capturing the U.S. Senate ...

The Clintons being flushed down the nation's political toilet ...

And an Iranian military that's been taken-out with "extreme prejudice" by the Winstonian President Bush (43).



The Lord God Almighty's Blessing on America,

Patton-at-Bastogne



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1 posted on 01/29/2008 9:10:42 AM PST by Patton@Bastogne
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To: Patton@Bastogne

Epic battle of the RINOs today ...

this conservative will NOT vote for McCain or Romney in the primaries.

Based on his RECORD, Romney is the most liberal of all the Republicans still in the race.!


2 posted on 01/29/2008 9:13:00 AM PST by bluebeak
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To: Patton@Bastogne

In the words of Patton at Bastogne when asked to surrender as we are being asked to surrender and vote for Romney, “Nuts!”


3 posted on 01/29/2008 9:13:00 AM PST by Ingtar (Thompson - delegates, Huckabee - brokered, Keyes - Only C left. Which one on 2/5?)
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I find it hilarious that the same people who slam Huckabee and McCain are busy pretending they have a clue that Romney is any better.

Reminds me of Democrats and Bill Clinton in 1992 all over again.


4 posted on 01/29/2008 9:13:45 AM PST by Crimson Elephant
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To: bluebeak
Only a RINO would vote for Myth

Mitt Romney's Swett Problem
by Deroy Murdock
Posted 03/06/2007 ET


Willard Mitt Romney donated $250 in 1992 to then-U.S. Rep. Dick Swett’s (D.-N. H.) successful re-election campaign. The one-term congressman served another term before losing to Republican Charles Bass in 1994. Two years later, Swett ran unsuccessfully against Republican Bob Smith for one of the Granite State’s U.S. Senate seats.

In 1992, the former Massachusetts governor and current Republican presidential contender also donated $250 to Rep. John J. La Falce (D.-N.Y.) and $1,000 to Douglas Delano Anderson, an unsuccessful Democratic primary candidate for the U.S. Senate seat held by Utah Republican Jake Garn, who retired that year.

The two Democratic House members who Romney funded were solidly liberal. For 1992, Rep. Swett had a 32 rating (out of 100) from the American Conservative Union and an 85 from the liberal Americans for Democratic Action. That year, LaFalce scored a 12 ACU rating and a Swett-like 85 from the ADA.

To be fair, these donations are anomalous. According to Newsmeat.com’s analysis of Romney’s political giving, 1.5% of his contributions have gone to Democratic candidates. This website, which consolidates Federal Election Commission contribution reports, shows no Democratic donations by Romney before or since.

In contrast, U.S. Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) gave 0% of his donations to Democrats, as did GOP frontrunner, former New York City Mayor Rudolph W. Giuliani. For his part, Mayor Giuliani did endorse Democrat Mario Cuomo for re-election as New York governor in 1994 over GOP challenger, George Elmer Pataki. Referring to former Republican U.S. Senator and Pataki patron Al D’Amato, Giuliani warned: “If the D’Amato-Pataki crew ever gets control, ethics will be trashed.” Gov. Pataki’s lackluster, pork-soaked, pay-to-pay, pageant of patronage vindicated Giuliani’s unorthodox decision, as did Pataki’s rate of spending growth, which ultimately outpaced Cuomo’s.

Meanwhile, Romney supported the Massachusetts GOP with a $2,000 check on April 13, 1988, and another $1,000 on July 17, 1989. However, he did not write another check to Republicans until he donated another $1,000 to the Massachusetts GOP on October 27, 1993. So, between July 1989 and October 1993, Romney exclusively financed these three Democrats.

“Doug Anderson is a close personal friend of Governor Romney,” campaign spokesman Kevin Madden tells me by phone. “Sometimes friendship outshines politics, and that’s the case with Doug Anderson and Governor Romney in 1992.”

While that explains the Anderson donation, what about the checks to the other Democrats?

“I think a $250 contribution back in 1992 is greatly overshadowed by the number of donations to and his support for Republicans, as well as his conservative record as governor for four years,” Madden says.

The overshadowing is a fair point, but why did Romney support those Democrats in the first place?

“I don’t know,” Madden says. “I don’t have an understanding of that. I think he was friendly with Dick Swett.”

And how about the $250 to LaFalce?

Madden replies: “I don’t know the particulars of that particular donation.”

By itself, Romney’s brief tenure as a Democratic donor shouldn’t worry GOP primary voters too much. But against the backdrop of Romney’s inconsistency on numerous other issues, this news reinforces concerns among many Republicans that Romney is an ideological construction site, constantly growing into a structure still unseen and perhaps unimagined.

Romney raised eyebrows when it emerged that he voted as an independent in his state’s 1992 Democratic primary for Sen. Paul Tsongas (D.-Mass.). Romney could have explained that Tsongas, his home-state senator, was a respected fiscal conservative who spoke passionately about the urgent need for entitlement reform. Romney could have batted one into the right-field bleachers by saying, “Paul Tsongas ran against Bill Clinton in 1992, and I was proud to cast my ballot to stop Bill Clinton.”

Instead, Romney set heads a-scratching with this reply:

In Massachusetts if you register as an independent, you can you vote on either the Republican or Democrat primary. When there was no real contest in the Republican primary, I’d vote in the Democrat primary, vote for the person who I thought would be the weakest opponent for a Republican.

This is too cute by half. It also smacks of a cheap shot at Tsongas, a serious, honest legislator well respected across the political spectrum. He beat lymphatic cancer, but then later deteriorated and died in 1997 at age 55.

Less cute is the fact that this recent explanation contradicts Romney’s earlier story as to why he backed Tsongas.

“Romney confirmed he voted for former U.S. Sen. Paul Tsongas in the state’s 1992 Democratic presidential primary, saying he did so both because Tsongas was from Massachusetts and because he favored his ideas over those of Bill Clinton,” Scot Lehigh and Frank Phillips reported in the February 3, 1994 Boston Globe.

So, which is it -- picking easy prey for Daddy Bush or preferring Tsongas to Clinton for superior principles and proposals?

Romney explained further that he was a loyal, lifelong Republican, except when he moved to Massachusetts, and then he wasn’t:

I’m a Republican and have been through my life. I was with Young Republicans when I was in college back at Stanford, but a registered Independent, so I could vote in either primary.

Romney’s serpentine statements are becoming almost too numerous to tabulate:

* On campaign-finance reform, for example, Romney told the House Republican Study Committee that the McCain-Feingold law is “one of the worst things in my lifetime,” according to one conservative Republican who attended the RSC’s February 2 Baltimore retreat. “The place erupted. That was by far the biggest applause line,” the source said in The Hill newspaper’s February 8 edition. Campaigning in South Carolina, The State newspaper reports, Romney said of McCain-Feingold, “That’s a terrible piece of legislation.” He added: “It hasn’t taken the money out of politics … [But] it has hurt my party.”

However, the Boston Globe reported that then-gubernatorial candidate Romney proposed his own plan that was far Left of McCain-Feingold. Romney suggested that candidates who raised or spent money beyond the limits of Massachusetts’ Clean Elections law would be required to surrender 10% of the political donations they collected. That sum would be diverted to the Clean Elections fund to provide public financing for political contenders.

Romney’s 10% tax on free speech would have applied even to money that candidates paid out of their own pockets into their own campaigns.

Romney said in the September 9, 2002 Globe that he hoped his concept would preserve public funding of campaigns while shifting part of its cost “from the backs of the taxpayers to the politicians.”

“It’s an interesting new idea,” Pamela Wilmot, acting executive director for Common Cause Massachusetts, told the Globe’s Ralph Ranalli. “We are always in need of new ideas.”

* On immigration, Romney could not have sounded tougher February 18 on ABC’s “This Week:”

[T]hose people who are here illegally should not get any benefit by being here. Those that have committed crimes should be taken out of the country. Those that are in our jails should be taken out of the country. Those who are on welfare, require government assistance, should leave the country. Those of the 12 million or so that are here, first, I want to find out who they are, how many are there. I want them to register.

However, just last year, Romney took a much softer stand on immigration.

“I don’t believe in rounding up 11 million people and forcing them at gunpoint from our country,” Romney said in the March 30, 2006 Lowell Sun. “[T]hose that are here paying taxes and not taking government benefits should begin a process towards application for citizenship, as they would from their home country.”

* Speaking of gunpoint, Romney told the online “Glenn and Helen Show” last month, “I’m a member of the [National Rifle Association] and believe firmly in the right to bear arms.” Pressed to specify when he joined, Romney confessed February 18 to ABC’s George Stephanopoulos that he signed up with the NRA “within the last year” -- about when he began preparing his White House bid.

Gov. Romney signed the first statewide assault-weapons ban in 2004. He also bragged that his support for such gun-ownership restrictions as the Brady Bill and the federal assault-weapons ban was “not going to make me the hero of the NRA.”

* Romney calls himself a “vehement” foe of gay marriage. “From Day One, I have opposed the move for same-sex marriage, and its equivalent, civil unions,” Romney told South Carolina Republicans on February 21, 2005.

But just two days later, he told the Boston Globe’s Frank Phillips: “I am only supporting civil unions if gay marriage is the alternative.”

Just two years and eight months earlier, Romney and his 2002 gubernatorial running mate, Kerry Healey, produced a Gay Pride Weekend poster that said: “Mitt and Kerry Wish You a Great Pride Weekend! All citizens deserve equal rights, regardless of their sexual preference.”

As the October 17, 1994 Boston Globe reported during Romney’s failed U.S. Senate bid, he told the Log Cabin Republicans, a gay GOP group: “As we seek to establish full equality” for gays, “I will provide more effective leadership than my opponent,” Sen. Edward Moore Kennedy (D.-Mass.).

* But it’s on abortion that pinning down Romney is like nailing wine to the wall.

“I am pro-life,” Romney said in January.

But just four years and four months ago, Romney said, “I am in favor of preserving and protecting a woman’s right to choose.”

Pro-life activist and Romney campaign advisor James Bopp Jr. wrote February 28 on National Review Online:

Romney’s conversion was less abrupt than is often portrayed. In his 1994 Senate run, Romney was endorsed by Massachusetts Citizens for Life and kept their endorsement, even though he declared himself to be pro-choice…

While Team Romney now returns the Massachusetts Citizens for Life’s embrace, Romney couldn’t run from it swiftly enough when it was offered. Romney and Democratic gubernatorial nominee Shannon O’Brien energetically debated this matter in their October 29, 2002 face-off. YouTube features this footage online, and The American Spectator’s Philip Klein reported on this exchange last February 21:

ROMNEY: I don’t know about the endorsement of the Mass. Citizens for Life. I didn’t seek it. I didn’t ask for it…

O’BRIEN: But you accepted it

ROMNEY: When you say I accepted it, I didn’t write a letter and say, ‘Here, thank you very much for your endorsement.’

O’BRIEN: Your spokesperson stated that you accepted their endorsement.

ROMNEY: Shannon, I can tell you again. I did not in any way acknowledge their endorsement, nor do I…

O’BRIEN: But you accepted it.

ROMNEY: When you say I accepted it, in what way did I accept it, Shannon?

O’BRIEN: Ask your campaign spokesperson. ROMNEY: I don’t have a campaign spokesperson here tonight. I’m here right now and I can tell you that I did not take a position of a pro-life candidate. I am in favor of preserving and protecting a woman’s right to choose.

This back-and-forth has left Bopp buffaloed.

“I don’t know yet about Romney,” Bopp admitted to Politico.com’s Jonathan Martin on February 21. “I’m not really sure where [abortion] will ultimately fit in his agenda. He’s still on a journey.”

A journey of political self-discovery is what one would expect from a college student navigating between his professors’ chalk-dust-encrusted socialism and the liberating ideas of Milton Friedman. A tax-abused businessman pondering his first bid for public office at age 35 deserves such latitude. However, a 59-year-old prospective commander in chief of the United States Armed Forces should be more firmly rooted in his beliefs than Romney appears to be.

On the other hand, Romney truly could be further Left on the political spectrum than he now admits and has lurched sharply Rightward merely to impress conservative GOP primary voters. If so, he is fueled more by ambition than principle.

No wonder an astute, free-market-activist friend of mine recently christened Mitt Romney “Slick Willard.”

Mr. Murdock, a New York-based commentator to HUMAN EVENTS, is a columnist with the Scripps Howard News Service and a media fellow with the Hoover Institution on War, Revolution and Peace at Stanford University.


5 posted on 01/29/2008 9:14:46 AM PST by Fred (McCain..'HIS EGO IS WRITING CHECKS HIS BODY CAN'T CASH')
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To: Patton@Bastogne

Nuts...


6 posted on 01/29/2008 9:15:12 AM PST by ejonesie22 (Haley Barbour 2012, Because he has experience in Disaster Recovery.)
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To: Ingtar

It wasn’t Patton, It was Mcauliff (not sure if I spelled that right)


7 posted on 01/29/2008 9:15:31 AM PST by contemplator (Capitalism gets no Rock Concerts)
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To: bluebeak

Here’s the bottom line:

John McCain doesn’t have a single conservative position that Mitt Romney doesn’t share.
But John McCain has a lot of liberal positions that Mitt Romney doesn’t share.


8 posted on 01/29/2008 9:16:25 AM PST by counterpunch (Mike Huckabee — The Religious Wrong)
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To: bluebeak

Recordwise Romney may be the worst, but Romney is at least running to the right. Romney is also pretty good at doing what he promises, so there is hope he will stay to the right when he governs. All the other candidates are running to the left and will go even further as we get into the general election, and will probably even govern further left if they get into office. I certainly don’t trust Romney 100%, but Romney is the only one that even gives conservatives even a remote hope.


9 posted on 01/29/2008 9:18:18 AM PST by Always Right (Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?)
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To: counterpunch

I agree. They are both on the bottom. Neither one is worthy of my vote. You are correct that Romney states he has the Conservative positions, but his history over the last three years show him to be as bad or worse than McCain. I’m hoping for a miracle and none of the above win. Otherwise, Republicans are toast in November.


10 posted on 01/29/2008 9:19:16 AM PST by Ingtar (Thompson - delegates, Huckabee - brokered, Keyes - Only C left. Which one on 2/5?)
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To: Always Right

Romney is running to the right in the primaries (paying off conservative groups and talking heads) ... and will be shift back to the left at general election time


11 posted on 01/29/2008 9:19:16 AM PST by bluebeak
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To: counterpunch; bluebeak; EternalVigilance

Now the Mittbots are claiming that homosexuals in the boyscouts or military, and Abortion on taxpayer dime aren’t conservative positions. Which explains a lot


12 posted on 01/29/2008 9:20:02 AM PST by MrEdd (Heck is the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aren't going.)
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To: Fred

I think the one Democrat Dick Swett was a Mormon as was the guy in Utah most likely.

Some of the giving was based on religion, not political party.


13 posted on 01/29/2008 9:20:08 AM PST by Nextrush (MCCAIN IS THE ESTABLISHMENT CANDIDATE AND MUST BE DEFEATED AT ALL COSTS)
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To: MrEdd

or state run health plans, etc., etc.


14 posted on 01/29/2008 9:20:37 AM PST by bluebeak
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To: Always Right

So you’re saying at least Romney is making all the promises he needs to make, saying all the things he needs to say?


15 posted on 01/29/2008 9:20:43 AM PST by colorcountry (To anger a conservative, lie to him. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: bluebeak

All part of the Guiliani/Romney brand of conservatism


16 posted on 01/29/2008 9:21:50 AM PST by MrEdd (Heck is the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aren't going.)
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To: bluebeak

As governor, Romney vetoed in-state tuition for illegals, supported English only, and opposed drivers licenses for illegals.

If that’s what you’d call a “liberal,” then what are Huckabee and McCain?


17 posted on 01/29/2008 9:25:23 AM PST by tabsternager
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To: counterpunch

I tend to agree with you. It’s very difficult to trust Romney, but we KNOW that McCain is a bad’un. Romney has a record of doing whatever is convenient to his career, but McCain has a record of doing whatever screws his party and his country most thoroughly.

Romney has been too much guided by polls and what people think of him. But McCain just loves to poke the American people in the eye and snarl at them.

At least we have some hope of influencing Romney to do the right thing by leaning on him.


18 posted on 01/29/2008 9:25:45 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: MrEdd

Rudy = at least you know where he stands
Romney = a phony ... and the GOP as a whole would go down to a crushing defeat with him at the top of the ticket (he won’t be able to grossly outspend his opponent in Nov. or buy off enough of the media, special interest groups, and talking heads)
McCain = one good thing possibly (not many other good things though) ... is that he could pick a conservative VP and he wouldn’t run for re-election in 2012


19 posted on 01/29/2008 9:27:21 AM PST by bluebeak
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To: Cicero

or the media in the general election will influence him?


20 posted on 01/29/2008 9:28:13 AM PST by bluebeak
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