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Why Fredheads Can Embrace John McCain and Mitt Romney
North Star Writers Group ^ | January 29, 2008 | Paul Ibrahim

Posted on 01/29/2008 5:12:16 AM PST by Invisigoth

Let’s face it: the majority of those who supported Fred Thompson did so because they sincerely believed that he was the only reliable conservative in the race. Few questioned his commitment to conservative principles. Not even his opponents, who picked on his speaking style and campaign schedule rather than his policy proposals, questioned his principles.

Upon Thompson’s withdrawal, Mitt Romney released the following statement: “Throughout this campaign, Fred Thompson brought a laudable focus to the challenges confronting our country and the solutions necessary to meet them. He stood for strong conservative ideas and believed strongly in the need to keep our conservative coalition together.”

Wow! One heck of an admission for a candidate whose campaign has centered on claiming the embodiment of Reaganite principles.

Romney then said that Thompson “focused on pulling together the old Reagan coalition, the conservative coalition of social, economic and foreign policy conservatives . . . And so his leaving the race is sad for those who were big fans of his, but it probably helps my effort in terms of bringing together those Reagan coalition individuals, and it probably will be a bit of a boost for me.”

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TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2008; bullshiite; bullshirt; election; elections; fred; fredheads; fredthompson; mccain; romney
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To: PhilipFreneau

I am no expert on McCain and his political proclivities. I have seen analysis that pointed to him having a long-standing record of voting in the right direction on pro-life issues. If that’s wrong, oh well.

There are other political issues that have driven me from his camp, and I cannot abide the idea of returning.

BTW - From my point of view, any soldier deserves appreciation for their service, and those who suffer for their service (such as McCain) doubly so. But, recognizing honorable service does not forgive the transgressions committed afterward.

Which is why Benedict Arnold is known for being a traitor, and not a quality military officer - when he was actually both.


61 posted on 01/29/2008 6:28:18 AM PST by MortMan (Have a pheasant plucking day!)
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To: Sybeck1
“Romney yes.
McCain never!!”

I agree. I also believe that if and when Fred endorses he will endorse Mitt Romney. Fred may be waiting until after the Florida vote. If McCain happens to take Florida and Mitt comes in second, Fred’s endorsement of Mitt before Super Tuesday would really give Mitt a boost. I do not believe that Fred would even consider endorsing McCain. McCain's votes on immigration, cutting taxes, military & war issues, rights of terrorists are all wrong! I heard Mitt on FOX, Mark Levin, and then this morning on the Bill Bennett show. I will be happy to give my vote to Mitt today!

62 posted on 01/29/2008 6:29:59 AM PST by seekthetruth
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To: period end of story

All choices are losers in this election. I chose revolt. If that means Hillary then the moderate/liberal republicans who supported Mitt, Mcinsane, and Huck while ignoring and campaigning against more conservative candidates like Fred are the ones to blame.

Don’t expect me to taste the crap pie you baked. This elections loss is on Mittbots more than anyone else. They refused to support a real conservative and backed a photogenic liar. There was plenty of warning from folks that he is unsupportable by many. You wanted it, you got it.


63 posted on 01/29/2008 6:30:05 AM PST by American_Centurion (No, I don't trust the government to automatically do the right thing.)
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To: period end of story

Um, no...

None at all has a better stance on the war...


64 posted on 01/29/2008 6:31:27 AM PST by ejonesie22 (Haley Barbour 2012, Because he has experience in Disaster Recovery.)
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To: Invisigoth

If I have to I will hold my nose and vote for Romney, but I will never, ever, under any circumstances, vote for McCain: illegal alien amnesty, gang of 14, McCain-Feingold. In that order.


65 posted on 01/29/2008 6:37:11 AM PST by 3AngelaD (They screwed up their own countries so bad they had to leave, and now they're here screwing up ours)
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To: Invisigoth

Senator McCain, you are not fit to be president, and here’s why: you are playing politics with the war and with our troops.

Dirty tricks in a campaign is one thing. But when you do it with our troops, you’ve crossed the line.

If you are willing to tell a lie—a significant one—regarding the war for personal political gain, what can we expect from you as president?

Senator McCain, I ask that you withdraw your candidacy, effective immediately.


66 posted on 01/29/2008 6:40:22 AM PST by reasonisfaith (Donating to Fred Thompson is the antidote to media bias.)
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To: American_Centurion
I understand your feelings. But when I think of the legacy of Jimmy Carter in Iran and North Korea, and Clinton's refusal to deal with bin Laden and the result on 9/11, I just can't stand the idea of allowing another DNC presidency just to teach the GOP a lesson. Four years of Obama and we could find CAIR on the Board of Education dictating that children can't be taught about the Holocaust anymore. Four years of Hillary and we could find our immigration problem quadrupled.

Hopefully I'm just being too paranoid, but given the messes Dems leave, I dunno.

67 posted on 01/29/2008 6:40:49 AM PST by A_perfect_lady (Alas, Fred!)
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To: American_Centurion
Don’t expect me to taste the crap pie you baked. This elections loss is on Mittbots more than anyone else. They refused to support a real conservative and backed a photogenic liar. There was plenty of warning from folks that he is unsupportable by many. You wanted it, you got it.

When Romney beats Hillary, you'll feel better.

68 posted on 01/29/2008 6:47:11 AM PST by period end of story
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To: A_perfect_lady

I prefer that we don’t give power to the Dems as well, but I won’t support incremental, creeping, socialism either.

I won’t support socialism in any way at all. If the GOP expects to ever get me or my family to vote for them again they will have to move waaaaay right. There are 15 folks in my family who are playing this exactly as I am, and we have NEVER agreed 100 percent before.

The GOP needs to change or die. I really don’t care which.


69 posted on 01/29/2008 6:47:42 AM PST by American_Centurion (No, I don't trust the government to automatically do the right thing.)
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To: period end of story

Sorry. That isn’t going to happen. Moderates in the GOP are handing this election to the Dems. Don’t come crying to me when it does.


70 posted on 01/29/2008 6:50:05 AM PST by American_Centurion (No, I don't trust the government to automatically do the right thing.)
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To: MortMan

“I salute both McCain and Romney as politicians - with one finger on each hand...But neither will be getting my support. My principles are not for sale.” ~ MortMan

Have you seen these complaints in the NY Times made by the disappointed liberal voters in Mass last May?:

NY Times thecaucusblog/Comments section [Mass. voters talking about Romney on May 11, 2007]:

“.. he stated that he supported gay rights, but then attempted to have a Constitutional ammendment added to the ballot to have gay marriage banned in the state. ..”

“I firmly believe that he’ll ‘change his mind’ and go agree with his base if he’s elected just like he did on the abortion right’s issue. ..”

“.I will never forget when he vetoed the stem cell legilation after the bills’ sponsors had worked so hard at generating bi-partisan support. And he vetoed the bill ...”

“...If you want to know what Mitt is really about, please try to find his speeches to the Federalist Society to see what he’s really made of. ..”

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com

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11/10/2005 Mitt Romney addresses the Federalist Society
http://www2.nationalreview.com/corner/romneyaddress.pdf

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What is the Federalist Society?:

“...the Federalist Society, the expanding network of conservative lawyers who over the past quarter-century have played a leading role in reshaping the nation’s judiciary and setting high-level Republican administration policy. ..

[...]

“..One of the group’s founding fathers was Edwin Meese, who would soon become attorney general under President Ronald Reagan. Olson was part of that Justice Department, and so was Giuliani, who served as its third-highest official. The plan was to sow talented conservatives at every level of the federal judiciary and ultimately gain a foothold at the Supreme Court. “That was very much on our minds,” Olson said.

It appears to be working as planned. When he took office in 2001, Bush leaned heavily on Federalists to create a legal power structure to continue the work of seeding the judiciary. Roberts, along with fellow conservatives Alito, Scalia and Thomas, now form a formidable bloc on the Supreme Court.

[...]

Split among GOP camps

But as the Federalists have grown, they haven’t been immune to internal fissures. Federalists have key figures in both the Romney and Thompson campaigns who believe their candidate is a more worthy vessel for their legal philosophies. And they say they haven’t had to make the sort of compromise that Giuliani’s conservative supporters have.

David McIntosh, a former Indiana GOP congressman and gubernatorial candidate, is vice chairman of the Federalist Society, and he’s a domestic policy adviser to Thompson. Douglas Kmiec, another high-ranking official in the Reagan Justice Department, has gone with Romney, whom he calls “authentic.”

More: http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2007/09/giuliani_burnishes_conservativ.html

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Governor Mitt Romney Announces The Advisory Committee On The Constitution And The Courts
http://www.mittromney.com/News/Press-Releases/Constitution_Courts


71 posted on 01/29/2008 6:58:50 AM PST by Matchett-PI (Vote MITT ROMNEY and Florida WILL STOP McCAIN COLD!!)
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To: MortMan

Do your principles also include not voting and thus making it possible for the party of traitors to finish shredding our constitution and republic? I’m a Fredhead and I will with much disgust vote for the GOP candidate in order to try to make sure that the party of degenerates do no gain full power.


72 posted on 01/29/2008 7:03:07 AM PST by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: gruna
We disagree. Romney is a conservative.
Until 1/2/09
73 posted on 01/29/2008 7:06:16 AM PST by TheKidster (you can only trust government to grow, consolidate power and infringe upon your liberties.)
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To: gruna

Romney is a RINO in the same way as UpChuck Hagel from my state. He will get my vote if he is the nominee because the alternative is to have the party of traitors in full control. If that happens our constitution and republic will be damaged forever.


74 posted on 01/29/2008 7:06:16 AM PST by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: period end of story
They have to embrace one or the other. (or none at all)

I won't embrace any of the remaining candidates, none are people who I could feel comfortable with as president, much less embrace. I will vote for either Romney or Huck in the primary, I haven't decided which, but ONLY as a vote AGAINST either of the other two who shouldn't even be allowed on a Republican ballot.

The sad part of this disastrous primary is that there were good conservative candidates in the field at one time, but they were all rejected by so-called conservative Republican voters and we are now left with four liberal RINOs to choose from. If conservative Republicans keep on voting for RINOs because they aren't quite as repugnant as the Democrat opponents we will keep on getting nothing but RINOs as our candidates. If Republicans don't get back to supporting, nominating, and electing conservatives after this year's fiasco I will change my registration to Independent after 50 years as a registered Republican and voting a straight GOP ticket.

I won't be leaving the GOP, the GOP began leaving me when every conservative who has entered a GOP primary race since Reagan's last term was soundly rejected by Republican voters, and this year's fiasco has made it clear that it's only going downhill from here on.

75 posted on 01/29/2008 7:08:53 AM PST by epow (I would rather lose in a cause that will some day win, than win in a cause that will some day lose!)
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To: period end of story

Romney will only beat Hillary IF all republicans turn out and vote for him regardless of the fact that he is a made-up RINO. He, like a lot of other republicans past and present does not have the nads to stand up and actually fight the democraps. They will play the game down and dirty and unless he is ready to set aside the useless idea that “we must be civil, not stoop to their level” then the bitch will win. I don’t believe he has what it will take because he won’t want to be seen as “mean”.


76 posted on 01/29/2008 7:10:48 AM PST by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: RJS1950
Do your principles also include not voting and thus making it possible for the party of traitors to finish shredding our constitution and republic?

Or do we continue to slowly shred the constitution by degrees, ensuring that nobody notices enough to jump out of the pot?

77 posted on 01/29/2008 7:11:38 AM PST by MortMan (Have a pheasant plucking day!)
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To: TheKidster

Apparently you fail to realize that Romney will want a second term, so he can’t betray the voters who put him in office the first time. He’s a lot smarter than the elder Bush.


78 posted on 01/29/2008 7:13:55 AM PST by gruna
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To: RJS1950

Well, he’ll get your vote, then.


79 posted on 01/29/2008 7:14:51 AM PST by gruna
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To: Terpfen

“Tonight on the CBS Evening News, incoming president Hillary Clinton today announced details of her health care plan...”

As opposed to

“Tonight on hardball Chris Matthews, guests President McCain/Romney and Senator Kennedy discuss thier bipartisan to give Americans comprehensive universal healthcare coverage/extend and expand the assault weapons ban/the new path to citizenship offered to the 12 million undocumented workers.”


80 posted on 01/29/2008 7:16:19 AM PST by TheKidster (you can only trust government to grow, consolidate power and infringe upon your liberties.)
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