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Dual language program
reflejos.com ^ | 1-17-08 | Kerry Lester

Posted on 01/28/2008 6:05:45 PM PST by spintreebob

After years of pleading with the Elgin Area U-46 school board for middle school dual-language opportunities, a group of Channing Elementary parents are in panic mode.

“We’re nervous for our sixth-graders,” said Kristen Webb. “After seven years of dual language study, there are no programs in place for them when they head to middle school.”

Channing’s dual language program, unique among U-46 schools, was established seven years ago, splitting a select group of students’ school days and subjects, between Spanish and English. Currently, officials said, there are two dual language kindergarten classes, two each in first and second grades, one thirdgrade class. In fourth, fifth and sixth grades, dual language classes are grouped by subject.

Classes, capped at 25 students, often have waiting lists. This year’s kindergarten class tested 110 students for the program, taking only 50, said Judy Rivera, who runs Channing’s program.

“At the time, we established it as a one-site program for the district,” U-46 spokesman Tony Sanders said. “We’re still in the process of figuring out if it should be expanded.”

Five parents at last week’s school board meeting urged the district to speed up “the process” — citing test score improvements, confident kids and a multicultural atmosphere as reasons for expanding the program into Ellis Middle School, which most Channing students feed into.

“We’ve been going to the district for the past three years about this,” said Caty Hernandez, whose daughter Natalye is a Channing third-grader. “And we’ve gotten no response.”

With 72 percent of Channing’s students coming from low-income homes, and nearly 85 percent of students identified as minorities, the majority of Channing’s students have been labeled “at risk” of educational failure. High test scores from dual language students helped bump Channing off the state’s academic warning list in 2005, Rivera said. The percentage of students, according to 2007 state report cards, making Adequate Yearly Progress at Channing in reading is 66.3 percent; in math, 76.6 percent; both well above the No Child Left Behind benchmark of 55 percent.

“We have statistics here at Channing that the dual language students are consistently scoring above their peers,” Rivera said. “I think the parents think … our students going on to middle school are going to miss out on their Spanish, lose much of what they’ve gained. This program needs to keep expanding.”

Schaumburg Township Elementary District 54, which launched a dual language program in 2005, has grown to include three elementary schools and a middle school with Spanish-English dual language programs. “It’s been done elsewhere,” Hernandez said. “Why not here?”

Hernandez and other parents insist they’re not asking for something unreasonable. “We don’t expect them to implement the whole program at Ellis,” she said. “But something, a literature course or something … . Time is running out. The kids have worked so hard and now what?”


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; US: Illinois
KEYWORDS: bilingual; english; esl; immigration
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To: ga medic
Your children have the most valuable asset of all when it comes to learning a new language. A parent who can teach them and correct them as they learn the language from an early age provides a huge advantage over the typical scenario in U.S. schools. The typical approach is to offer the first foreign language classes in 7th grade. Starting the process at nominally 13 years of age has already missed the critical 0 to 10 year old window.

My #2 son learned Spanish from his friends across the street and others at school. He pursued it by dating Spanish speaking girls who were trying to learn English. Quid pro quo. His ability to speak Spanish was critical to being hired at Rubio's (his 2nd job in high school). Half the staff didn't speak any English.

21 posted on 01/28/2008 8:30:05 PM PST by Myrddin
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To: CurlyDave
Check my other posts. My #2 son employs 60 people (at age 24). He does 90% of his business with Spanish speakers. His native tongue is English. I fully understand the need for multiple language capability. In addition to English, there are 10 other languages spoken by his employees. I listed some of them.

Frankly, I think we need to have more language programs in the elementary schools. The universe of choices should go beyond Spanish. Mandarin and Arabic are in demand, yet positions remain perpetually vacant. The problem with learning any language in school is maintaining proficiency. It is a perishable skill. My wife is weighing whether to take a couple semesters of Spanish or Shoshone. The latter would be valuable for her minor and there's plenty of people around here that speak Shoshone. There are far fewer that speak Spanish.

22 posted on 01/28/2008 8:44:38 PM PST by Myrddin
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To: Myrddin

I grew up in an immigrant community. I was born in Puerto Rico, but my mother was Brazilian. My mother never did learn much English. It was a very frustrating language for her. I learned English from watching cartoons and television, but missed much of my first and second grade years, because I didn’t understand a word that the teacher said. My children speak three languages, but only want to speak English. They rarely even tell others that they speak another language. This process is pretty consistent through all the immigrant communities I have been in. The adults don’t always assimilate, but the children almost always do. The bottom line is that children that grow up in the US, want to be completely American, whether their parents do or not.


23 posted on 01/29/2008 6:09:37 AM PST by ga medic
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To: ga medic
>All of my children are also fluent in all three, although they refuse to speak anything but English most of the time.<

This phenomenon seems to be nearly universal among "second generation" kids in the USA. No matter whether the parents' mother tongue is Spanish, Chinese, Arabic, Lativian, Thai or whatever, the kids only want to speak English!

I've seen or heard about this situation time and again from my foreign-born friends and colleagues. I think ca. 1/2 of the reason is simple rebellion against parental authority, while the other 1/2 reflects a desire not to be seen by their peers as anything other than 100% American.

24 posted on 01/29/2008 7:05:46 AM PST by Hawthorn
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To: Hawthorn

Your experience is typical of everything that I have seen as well. I have worked hard at teaching my children all three languages, and about their culture as well. I would like to think that they will pass this on to their own children, but if I am honest with myself, I know that they won’t. Chances are that if I want my grandchildren to learn Spanish or Portuguese, I will have to teach them myself.


25 posted on 01/29/2008 7:43:43 AM PST by ga medic
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To: ga medic
Your children are lucky to have the opportunity to learn 3 languages at an optimal time in their lives. I grew up in San Diego (mostly). The proximity of Tijuana and Mexicali brings a lot of movement each direction. Many of the hispanics in the area identify more closely with Mexico than the US. The neighborhood where I grew up has changed from English speaking to mostly Spanish speaking. Their children speak English and Spanish, but maintain a Mexican cultural outlook. I attended Southwestern College as a student after high school. The MeChA organization had a total grip on campus politics and finances. Six years later, I returned as an instructor at Southwestern College. There was little left of student organizations other than MeChA. I'm sure you've seen the large gatherings of Mexicans waving the flag of Mexico on the streets of major US cities. These people aren't interested in assimilating.

When my great grandfather arrived in the US from Wales in 1863, he sought out the Welsh community in Pennsylvania. The young lady he was courting was from Aberystwyth. He joined the Union army to gain her father's approval. Boot camp was held on the train enroute to the front lines. His unit was captured within days and he spent most of the war as a POW. At the end of the war, he returned to Pennsylvania and married my great grandmother. They insisted that their children speak only English. All 19 of them. It's a shame because the number of Welsh speakers in the world is small. All of the children were very successful. Most graduated from college and pursued engineering or farming.

Kudos to you for becoming fluent in English and bringing up your kids with the gift of multiple languages.

26 posted on 01/29/2008 8:12:17 AM PST by Myrddin
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To: ga medic
>Your experience is typical of everything that I have seen as well. I have worked hard at teaching my children all three languages, and about their culture as well. I would like to think that they will pass this on to their own children, but if I am honest with myself, I know that they won’t. Chances are that if I want my grandchildren to learn Spanish or Portuguese, I will have to teach them myself.

It's really a fascinating topic. I'll bet there are a number of academic studies on point, although I haven't seen them.

I got interested in the matter after my wife and I made the acquaintance of several ethnic Chinese immigrants from the tiny island nation of Mauritius.

These folks are totally at ease in four languages: English, standard Parisian French, the Hakka dialect of Chinese, and a French-based Creole.

As it turns out, they speak English with us and other American friends, Creole with their Mauritian friends, Chinese with their parents, and standard French at work -- switching back and forth without a second thought.

And of course, their kids adamantly refuse to speak anything but the "Britney Spears version" of English!

27 posted on 01/29/2008 8:12:45 AM PST by Hawthorn
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To: Hawthorn
There is a large community of Vietnamese people in San Diego. I lived in Mira Mesa where most of them settled. They have a very high standard of academic achievement among the first generation of children from these immigrants. That doesn't seem to carry to the 2nd generation. The strong motivation to succeed was driven by the immigrant parents who were thrilled to have the opportunity to move to the US. My sons grew up with that 1st generation of aggressive achievers. It was a good, strong academic environment. The 2nd generation is tending toward rebellion and gang membership.
28 posted on 01/29/2008 8:19:29 AM PST by Myrddin
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To: Myrddin

> The 2nd generation is tending toward rebellion and gang membership. <

In other words, “assimilation” isn’t always good. Too bad.


29 posted on 01/29/2008 8:43:48 AM PST by Hawthorn
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To: Hawthorn
In other words, “assimilation” isn’t always good. Too bad.

Yup. There are good things and bad things to assimilate. The immigrant parents were focused on helping the 1st gen kids to succeed in a new world. The children of the 1st gen aren't getting the same level of interest from their parents. They are assimilating the street culture and current pop culture. The affluence of their parents gives an incorrect impression of the effort required to be comfortable. Many will have a rude awakening when the financial umbilical is finally severed.

30 posted on 01/29/2008 8:59:26 AM PST by Myrddin
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To: CurlyDave
"...The panic among the Hispanic parents indicates that the goal wasn't achieved..."Actually, it indicates that the parents are prone to emotion, and not afflicted by pull-yourself-up-by-your-bootstrap-itis.
31 posted on 01/29/2008 11:38:17 AM PST by -=SoylentSquirrel=-
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To: Myrddin

San Diego is a beautiful place. Would love to spend some time there, once I retire. (It will be a while) I realize that all Spanish speaking communities are not the same, and I know that So Cal has had more than its share of problems with the Mexican immigrants there. The Mexican community in GA is much different, and similar to the Puerto Rican community where I grew up. The old community is still there, but the kids are completely American.

Sadly, I didn’t realize that Welsh was even a language. I have known several people of Welsh decent, but no one ever told me that they had a unique language. Learn something new everyday.


32 posted on 01/29/2008 11:40:23 AM PST by ga medic
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To: ga medic
You can check out the BBC Welsh language pages here. They have news and videos. Mostly of it is the south Wales dialect. My family spoke the dialect of the mid-valleys. There is also a northern dialect. Mountains and rough terrain make for the necessary isolation for such dialects to diverge from the original language. Germany has many dialects as well. My German teacher grew up in Karlsruhe. When I traveled to Frankfurt am Main to work with Lufthansa in May 1998, the people in the office immediately noticed that I spoke German with inflections typical of Karlsruhe.

When I traveled to Birmingham, AL, I chose to have dinner at a local Mexican restaurant. I speak just enough Spanish to avoid embarrassing myself in a restaurant. Good thing, as they spoke no English. I ordered a big bowl of menudo. It was excellent and apparently the favorite of nearly everyone at that restaurant. As a social setting, it seemed much calmer compared to the brash experiences in San Diego.

It is really difficult to "choose wisely" when it comes to a community area in San Diego. The violence, gangs and graffiti of the barrio is moving northward at a steady pace. The leading edge moved from Imperial Beach/San Ysidro in the early 80's to Mira Mesa by 2000. Just about 1 mile per year.

33 posted on 01/29/2008 1:19:16 PM PST by Myrddin
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To: spintreebob
“After seven years of dual language study, there are no programs in place for them when they head to middle school.”

After 7 years, they're still too stupid to understand English?
34 posted on 01/29/2008 10:29:43 PM PST by CottonBall (The mass of men lead lives of quiet desperation. (Henry David Thoreau, "Walden", 1854 ))
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To: ga medic
You might want to do some research before you make assumptions.

Pot, kettle. You're also assuming that you know exactly what this school district is doing.
35 posted on 01/29/2008 10:31:44 PM PST by CottonBall (The mass of men lead lives of quiet desperation. (Henry David Thoreau, "Walden", 1854 ))
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To: Myrddin
My #2 son employs 60 people (at age 24). He does 90% of his business with Spanish speakers.

Your son should be hiring AMERICANS and LEGAL IMMIGRANTS. All of which speak English (it's part of the citizenship test).
36 posted on 01/29/2008 10:33:28 PM PST by CottonBall (The mass of men lead lives of quiet desperation. (Henry David Thoreau, "Walden", 1854 ))
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To: ga medic
The bottom line is that children that grow up in the US, want to be completely American, whether their parents do or not.

You're living in a dream world. Or perhaps the U.S. Here in Mexifornia, the children of illegals speak Spanish, hate the U.S. and love Mexico.
37 posted on 01/29/2008 10:34:43 PM PST by CottonBall (The mass of men lead lives of quiet desperation. (Henry David Thoreau, "Walden", 1854 ))
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To: CottonBall
Every one of my son's employees are U.S. citizens. They just happen to speak English and another language. It's the customers that don't speak English.
38 posted on 01/29/2008 10:35:56 PM PST by Myrddin
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To: CurlyDave
Do you really want to cede all of the high positions in a number of businesses to people born speaking spanish and schooled speaking english only, or would you like to have some native english-speakers schooled in dual-language programs in contention?

If it's an American company, they should speak English. They should hire Americans and therefore, would have no need to speak spanish.

I bet you're thrilled McAmnesty won in Florida. We'll soon be even more invaded than we are and completely lose our culture.
39 posted on 01/29/2008 10:37:34 PM PST by CottonBall (The mass of men lead lives of quiet desperation. (Henry David Thoreau, "Walden", 1854 ))
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To: CottonBall

There is nothing wrong with speaking in Spanish, and many legal immigrants and American citizens speak Spanish. You seem to be confusing the term Spanish speaking with illegal immigrant.


40 posted on 01/30/2008 8:52:11 AM PST by ga medic
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