Formal bicycles?
Sorry, couldn't resist.
Posted on 01/27/2008 5:53:09 AM PST by Presbyterian Reporter
Paul warned us about times like this and the way people – including those claiming to be professing Christians – would act. I strongly believe Paul had in mind the kind of people who run major Protestant denominations like the United Methodist Church.
Today, at an event in Fort Worth, Texas, leaders of the denomination, which boasts membership by President Bush and Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, will consider divesting from all companies that do business with Israel.
To say that even considering such an action is hateful, unbiblical, anti-Christian and evil would be an understatement.
It's not even understandable except in the context of the kind of morally blind apostasy described by Paul.
The problem with these people is not that they don't understand the Middle East. It is simply that they are no longer able to tell right from wrong. They are no longer able to distinguish between good and evil. They are no longer able to see the difference between freedom and tyranny. They are no longer able to judge between criminal and victim.
They have, in short, completely lost their moral bearings.
This is no longer a church; it is an organization of misguided political activism. This is no longer a house of God; it is a mad house. This is no longer part of the bride of Christ; it is a whore to the world.
I know these are tough words, for which I am sure to be criticized by some of my Christian friends.
For those pastors leading Methodist churches who understand where your denomination is heading, it's time to pack up and divest yourself of links to the denomination.
It's separation time.
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Theologians, priests, pastors, bishops, deacons, clergy, and the laity of all "Christian" denominations will render an OPINION. If they profess more they are using God's name in vain. I have the responsibility to arrive at my truth between myself and my God.
Not only are the mainlines anti-Israel, but often anti-capitalism and by extention, anti-entrepreneurial.
Except when it comes to them wanting and taking your hard earned money, then they apparently don’t care.
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The Mormons differ from Orthodxx christianity in their beliefs about Christ."
Do you think that matters to the Jews or to God if The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints is considered by you to be "Christian"?
Do you think that: (Genesis 12:3) "And I will bless them that bless thee and curse him that curseth thee; and in thee shall all nations of the earth be blessed" -- applies only to your narrow definition of Christian?
My best friend is Jewish and I am appalled at what "Christians" have said to her and treated her. If I weren't there at the time, I don't know that I would have believed the blind ignorant bigotry myself.
Formal bicycles?
Sorry, couldn't resist.
Generally, it's accepted among the Orthodox that Deity is found in the Trinity and no other.
You can accept this as truth or not. Perhaps you do not.
God through his Word has commanded His people to test the spirits since there are false teachings and false teachers.
It would be irresponsible not to do so. Since Mormons do not profess the truth about the nature of God and claim they will be gods themselves, they are not Orthodox, though they claim to be.
Methinks had he known then what we know now, Wesley would have let Whitfield have the Methodist church.
Ummm... They think Native Americans are Jews... and Independence, MO is the New Jerusalem. It doesn’t get any nuttier than that.
The Word of God does the judging. Mormons fail the Biblical test as do Romanists.
I'll leave it up to God to judge, and to sort out. I trust His ability to take care of it.
In the meantime, I'll try to do what I'm supposed to do: conduct my own business in the right manner - and not judge others - after all, that would be to break a Commandment, something so many 'Christians' make a crusade of...while, it would seem, priding themselves in being able to speak and judge for God.
May His Light shine upon you -
I did about 20 years ago when the associate pastor was an unabashed homosexual preaching about the virtues of spending time in bars. I found a small OPC church and started to learn to read and love scripture. I had never heard the gospel preached before. The Universal Methodist Church is a stench in Christendom. I have parents that still attend because that is where their friends go. They will not hear the truth.
I'm really interested in which version of the Word of God you have settled on and how and why. Did the Word of God come directly to you from God or are you relying on the work of fallible mortals who preceded you, including many "Romanists"? Have you read any of the original works of the old or new testaments in their original languages with full knowledge of the regional idiomatic contexts? Have you read the Septuagint scriptures, the Samaratin canon, the gnostic gospels, or the other contemporary writings? Have you read the letters of Athanasius, Bishop of Alexandria? How about the African Synod of Hippo, written in 393, or the edicts of the Councils of Carthage in 397 and 419. Then there is that darn Romanist, Pope Damasus I's Council of Rome in 382, (the Decretum Gelasianum is correctly associated with it). Likewise, Damasus's commissioning of the Latin Vulgate? In 405, Pope Innocent I sent a list of the sacred books to a Gallic bishop, Exsuperius of Toulouse that was asserted to be the edited and final "Word of God" that stood until the full dogmatic articulation of the canon by the Council of Trent of 1546 for Roman Catholicism. Or did you put your faith in the Thirty-Nine Articles of 1563 for the Church of England, the Westminster Confession of Faith of 1647 for Calvinism, and the Synod of Jerusalem of 1672 for the Greek Orthodox?
I'm not sure what you mean by Orthodox. I'm guessing it means what ever you want it to. Neither of the words "Trinity" nor "Triunity" appear in the Old Testament or New Testament. The first recorded use of the word "Trinity" in Christian theology was in about AD 180 by Theophilus of Antioch who used it, however, not to describe God, but rather to refer to a "triad" of three days: the first three days of Creation, which he then compared to "God, his Word, and his Wisdom." It was Tertullian, a Latin theologian who wrote in the early third century, who is credited with using the words "Trinity" and "person" to explain that the Father, Son and Holy Spirit were "one in essence— not one in Person." About a century later, in AD 325, the Council of Nicea established the doctrine of the Trinity as orthodoxy and adopted the Nicene Creed that described Christ as "God of God, Light of Light, very God of very God, begotten, not made, being of one substance (homoousios) with the Father." Further, Jesus and his followers didn't contradict the Jewish Shema Yisrael: "Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord" (Deuteronomy 6:4).Encyclopedia of Religion, for example, argues that "God the Father is source of all that is (Pantokrator) and also the father of Jesus Christ. Early liturgical and creedal formulas speak of God as "Father of our Lord Jesus Christ"; praise is to be rendered to God through Christ (see opening greeting in Paul and deutero-Paul). There are other binitarian texts (e.g., Romans 4:24; Romans 8:11; 2 Corinthians 4:14; Colossians 2:12; 1 Timothy 2:5–6; 1 Timothy 6:13; 2 Timothy 4:1), and a few triadic texts (the strongest are 2 Corinthians 13:14 and Matthew 28:19)."
I suppose there are, but I’ve never seen a Mormon in Israel personally. I’ve seen them in Lebanon, though.
“Get out while you can.”
I can’t afford SPACESHIP TWO tickets, little lone SPACE SHUTTLE ones.
Maybe you would loan me a teleporter?
“Once again the mainline protestant churches show their bigotry towards Israel.”
Nice generalization there, I only saw the Methodist Church being discussed here.
“not the stiff-necked amoung us who presume to speak for God...”
An interesting phrase from the Bible.
It took me a while to understand what stiff-necked meant.
And the camel through the eye of the needle.
Many things are easily misunderstood, in the Bible, because we don’t have the same frame of reference vocabulary wise.
At least here in the West.
“do not profess the truth about the nature of God”
OK. who is it, exactly, that knows the truth about the nature of God?
Did God give that person, that group, written endorsement?
“Mormons fail the Biblical test as do Romanists.”
In what way?
Because of the gods thing? Or the Jesus and the Devil?
Applewhite convinced some people to snip their testicles off and kill themselves to catch a spaceship in the tail of a comet to get to heaven.
Do his writings count too?
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