The Epic Collapse of Rudy Giuliani

POLITICAL LORE.COM ^ | 26 JANUARY 2008 | POLITICAL LORE

[dearolddad]

His family situation was too ugly.

When your kids won’t show up on the stump, you’re pretty much done.

That's what did him for me.

[presently no screen name]

You are the most clueless of all. Abortion, unfortunately, is law. And every woman that has one and doctor that performs it are killing. Trying interferring w/the next person going to have an abortion and read your litany above - you will be arrested in interfering with THEIR rights - like it or not - that's the law. Rudy, as mayor, supports THEIR right to choose. It's THEIR decision, not his.

He doesn’t demonstrate hate towards any person.....He certainly displays indifference to mothers and children brutalized by abortion-killing, doesn't he?

IT'S NOT HIS CHOICE!! DUH! Save your litany for the mothers, fathers and doctors. Your response is - abortion is wrong and it's all Rudy's fault! You got on a bandwagon and you can't see how ridiculous you appear.

And since when is it the duty of government to love the person and hate the sin, and never condemn?
>BR> You spoken just like the Pharisee's that Jesus called hypocrites! How could you point scripture out to me when you don't know it yourself. That's exactly what the Pharasees did to Jesus. Jesus was about love - not condemning. Did Jesus condemn? NO He did not come to condemn the world but to save it. He loved the sinner and said asked if anyone could cast the first stone. He hates sin but he overcame it with love. And he told the person - the one who committed the act - to repent - not the government at the time. Again, he did tell the 'religious ' people at the time, the Pharisees - those pointing at others - they were hypocrites.

My whole point is - this all started to get Hunter in when Rudy was leading. And the vicious attacks on Rudy pursued over and over - it was all fair game. Now Rudy hasn't been in the lead, and I DO NOT SEE any of these vicious attacks on Mitt, McCain or the others - and most are for abortion. You - not specifically you - but the hate crowd used lies, twisting of facts repeatedly - it was nothing about truth but to condemn a man to get your favorite in. God works in mysterious ways, Hunter never made it very far, unfortunately for us.

[presently no screen name]

Least Christian? Or maybe to your lying eyes, least Christian. Rudy is honest, he’s not a flip flipper He shows love to the sinner. But you. being a agnostic, are clueless to what true Christianity is all about.

[presently no screen name]

it is obvious that Rudy enjoyed dressing up as a woman just a little too much.

So you looked at photos and then added your own personal experince and you came to a conclusion.

Since that's the way it works for you - let me say - I find your scrutinizing of Rudy's photos and pointing out the hours supposedly spent in a chair and how it's so obvious to you that Rudy enjoyed dressing up a bit too much to your liking - an obsession on someone you think is a queer. If, by your observation, Rudy is enjoying it a bit too much to your liking, are you jealous that he is comfortable in his own skin?

Your time spent observing smiles, gestures, makeup, clothes and recalling your past experience along with your obvious enjoyment in posting it all, can lead anyone to a conclusion. Would you like that? IMO, you spend way too much time observing someone you think is a queer. You get my drift?

[Diamond]

You are the most clueless of all. Abortion, unfortunately, is law.

Let me ask you this; which is lawful, to do good or to do evil, to save life or to kill?

An unjust law is no law at all. Not to mention a bunch of men in black robes making up the "law" as they go. What part of "... No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws" do you, Rudy and the Supreme Court not understand?

Trying interferring w/the next person going to have an abortion and read your litany above - you will be arrested in interfering with THEIR rights - like it or not - that's the law. Rudy, as mayor, supports THEIR right to choose. It's THEIR decision, not his.

There is no right to kill the innocent, and you, Rudy and Blackmun in Roe v Wade, have to turn language upside down to twist the wholesale killing of innocent children into a "right". It is not a right and it never will be. It is tyranny, enforced by the police power of the state. I am not clueless to the reality that the state enforces it's edicts. I am just saying that Rudy may want to wash his hands of the bloodshed by saying that "it's not his choice", but the bottom line is that he will do nothing to stop the use the killing force of the state being used to condemn the innocent and letting the guilty go free. Why would I ever willingly with my vote entrust the powers of the Presidency to such a man? I will never vote for anyone who either does not understand and/or hates the basic principles and precepts upon which this Nation was founded, and by which the Constitution was written.

You spoken just like the Pharisee's that Jesus called hypocrites! How could you point scripture out to me when you don't know it yourself. That's exactly what the Pharasees did to Jesus. Jesus was about love - not condemning. Did Jesus condemn? NO He did not come to condemn the world but to save it. He loved the sinner and said asked if anyone could cast the first stone. He hates sin but he overcame it with love. And he told the person - the one who committed the act - to repent - not the government at the time. Again, he did tell the 'religious ' people at the time, the Pharisees - those pointing at others - they were hypocrites.

You have to twist that Scripture beyond recognition to apply it to the role of government. We're talking about the American form and principles of government, not individual repentance and forgiveness, which is what that passage is about. If you want to cite the Bible, Romans 13 is a Biblical passage that defines what the authority of human government is, its source, and its role. You will note that the function of government in that passage is to punish evil doers with the sword, not to "save the world", to "love sinners" or to "overcome sin with love." The government has no power to do any of those things. But when a government punishes those who do good it is doing the exact opposite of what it is authorized by God to do. As far as I'm concerned, as the Declaration states, when a government becomes destructive of "these ends"; i.e., the protection of inalienable rights, it is the right of the people to alter it or abolish it.

Cordially,

[presently no screen name]

Just to let you know - I just got this and have no intention of reading it. Read the first paragraph and stopped. You live your way and I will do the same. If you follow the commandment of love, you’ll fulfill them all. So, to the hate crowd, when it returns to you know it’s because you planted over the top hatred. That’s it. Good-night.

[rahbert]

Yeah, but when another 9/11 comes along, Rudy comes back with Bernie Kerick and other similar ruthless guys.

Mitt comes back with lawyers.

I know all about how he marches with gays, effed around on
his wives and suspect lib tendencies. But they don’t include
going easy on our country’s enemies, and thats the number
one job any president has.

[Diamond]

I understand that you do not deign to answer the question: "Which is lawful, to do good or to do evil; to save life or to kill?" You will not answer it, but it is the question Jesus asked the Pharisees who were lecturing Him about the "law" which they twisted into a prohibition against healing a man on the Sabbath. It is noteworthy that the Pharisees, to whom you compare me, did not answer the question, either.

Pleasant dreams.

Cordially

[Sir Francis Dashwood]

The number one job of any president is to protect the country from invasion and enforce the law (Constitution).

Ruby Julie-Annie won’t do that and he has shown he won’t do that.

[calcowgirl]

Do you know how dumb that sounds? If you understood his strategy then you’d understand how I know they are his. Take some time and look into it, you might learn something.

Care to take that back? 30% reporting... Rudy gets 134,849 votes.

Looks like he'll be lucky to get 400,000 total votes, let alone the "early voters."