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Breaking Up Is Hard to Do ("Bush Destroyed the Republican Party" -- Drudge Headline)
WSJ.com ^ | Jan 25, 2008 | Peggy Noonan

Posted on 01/26/2008 5:57:27 AM PST by fightinJAG

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On the pundit civil wars, Rush Limbaugh declared on the radio this week, "I'm here to tell you, if either of these two guys [Mr. McCain or Mike Huckabee] get the nomination, it's going to destroy the Republican Party. It's going to change it forever, be the end of it!"

This is absurd. George W. Bush destroyed the Republican Party, by which I mean he sundered it, broke its constituent pieces apart and set them against each other. He did this on spending, the size of government, war, the ability to prosecute war, immigration and other issues.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bush; compassionate; destroyed; elections; gop; noonan; rinobush; smellthecoffee
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To: Melchior

It’s really not about Reagan.

It’s ALL ABOUT getting back to CORE REPUBLICAN IDEOLOGY.


61 posted on 01/26/2008 6:30:27 AM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God) .)
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To: nmh

For me, he’sbetter than McCain or Rudy.


62 posted on 01/26/2008 6:30:42 AM PST by Rush4U
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To: nmh
Yeah ... it’s becoming Democrat light - afraid of standing up for what is right, being intimidated and NO BACKBONE to educate folks on what is right.

Much worse than that. It believes it IS right. The leadership believes it can cast off it's base and pick up the difference in the middle. All it has to do is get rid of those awful gun nuts and nasty Christians.

63 posted on 01/26/2008 6:30:52 AM PST by roamer_1 (Conservative always, Republican no more. Keyes '08)
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To: nmh

I’m sure he’s a good guy and all, but that doesn’t change the fact that he’s a MASS LIBERAL big government believer who made a fortune off of dealing with Communist China.


64 posted on 01/26/2008 6:32:21 AM PST by ovrtaxt (No Rudy McRombee for me! I'm voting for Ron Paul. The GOP can curl up and die.)
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To: saganite

yep ... and Bush should get much of the blame ... creating another expensive entitlement program (Medicare Rx) to go along with the other programs that will drain on the economy when the bulk of baby boomers are collecting, trying to push amnesty for illegal aliens, runwaway spending, getting the fed govt. more involved in education, campgain finance reform that has strengthen the power of incumbents and special interest groupos, and not pushing to produce more of our own energy (Bush folded and gave up on that ... just like entitlement reform) ... all to appease democrats ... look what we got ... a govt. that has spent like democrats (even though the republicans could have stopped it/fought it)

Bush turned out to be more Country Club Blue Blood Republican than Conservative Republican. And now our candidates left in 2008 appear to be more RINO than Bush (if we thought possible).


65 posted on 01/26/2008 6:32:25 AM PST by bluebeak
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To: David Isaac
Hamilton was a big government guy. Lincoln too, and Teddy Roosevelt. Hoover started many programs picked up by FDR. Wilkie was a democrat until 4 months before his nomination. Eisenhower was a democrat. Nixon kept all of LBJ’s big society programs. Then of course there was Voodoo Economics HW, and now Compassionate Conservative GW Bush.

So, Reagan and Calvin Coolidge where it.

66 posted on 01/26/2008 6:32:40 AM PST by Leisler
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To: nmh

I don’t know the figures, but isn’t it true that Mormons rarely convert to other denominations? Mormons are known in particular to gain former Baptists uneducated in the faith.


67 posted on 01/26/2008 6:32:43 AM PST by Theodore R. ( Cowardice is still forever!)
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To: fightinJAG

I wonder in my moments of lucidity, just what the Devil President Bush is up to. It would be interesting to know how much the Federal government has expanded during his term of office. It would also be interesting to know the number of pages which were added to the Federal regulations during his tour of duty.


68 posted on 01/26/2008 6:33:09 AM PST by Citizen Tom Paine (Swift as the wind; Calmly majestic as a forest; Steady as the mountains.)
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To: Theodore R.
"Good point, apparently some of the Reagan advisors convinced him he needed a “moderate” Republican (GHWB) to hold the liberal Republican segment of the party —"

I recall watching the convention and the buzz was that Reagan's short list had boiled down to Bush I or Rumsfeld. Think how that decision changed history. I can't imagine Rummy ever losing to BJ eight years later.

69 posted on 01/26/2008 6:33:30 AM PST by Reo
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To: nmh
It’s really not about Reagan.

Stone dead wrong. It is ALL about Reagan. Without Reagan Conservatism, Republicanism is dead and gone.

70 posted on 01/26/2008 6:33:36 AM PST by roamer_1 (Conservative always, Republican no more. Keyes '08)
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To: Leisler

Congratulations: Yours is the very quintessence of the ad hominem argument.


71 posted on 01/26/2008 6:33:45 AM PST by Melchior
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To: Leisler

Oddly, Reagan said that he voted for FDR four times and HST once, and Coolidge is the only one to have defeated FDR in an election (as Harding’s VP candidate).

Cleveland was said to have been more conservative than Arthur or Harrison.


72 posted on 01/26/2008 6:34:05 AM PST by Theodore R. ( Cowardice is still forever!)
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To: ovrtaxt
Duncan Hunter certainly doesn’t think so.

Snort. Hunter endorsed the Huckster.

Nuff said.

73 posted on 01/26/2008 6:34:59 AM PST by mewzilla (In politics the middle way is none at all. John Adams)
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To: fightinJAG; All

If you ‘buy in’ to Noonan’s assessment of President Bush, et al, then you must also ‘buy’ her assessment of President Reagan:

“THE BATTLE FOR THE MIND OF RONALD REAGAN WAS LIKE THE TRENCH WARFARE OF WORLD WAR I: NEVER HAVE SO MANY FOUGHT SO HARD FOR SUCH BARREN TERRAIN”

I suppose GWB should consider himself lucky that Noonan merely accuses him of destroying the Republican Party — unlike, of course, the conservative elitists/propagandists who insist that Ronald Reagan was a “conservative” purist, (when he was actually a REPUBLICAN pragmatist) for the express purpose of destroying ALL current Republicans, including President Bush.


74 posted on 01/26/2008 6:35:00 AM PST by DrDeb
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To: Leisler

Interesting way you have of measuring success. BTW, I have discovered that your fag loving blowhard Rush wannabe has 2 Os in his name. Boo.


75 posted on 01/26/2008 6:35:03 AM PST by Past Your Eyes (Bill Clinton: Life Member of the Liars' Club.)
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To: fightinJAG

I am disappointed in some ways with W but to place the blame on him is to excuse the R’s in congress. The McCain’s, Graham’s...etc. He not only has had to deal with a hostile press...he has to deal with a hostile group within his own party.


76 posted on 01/26/2008 6:35:04 AM PST by txlurker
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To: fightinJAG
This is absurd. George W. Bush destroyed the Republican Party, by which I mean he sundered it, broke its constituent pieces apart and set them against each other.

Read my lips, Margaret, no new news here. Reagan had conservative heads exploding when he, among other things, raised taxes, increased the deficit and gave amnesty to millions of illegals. He is the standard bearer of conservatives today. It's a little early to be writing an obituary for the Republicans.

77 posted on 01/26/2008 6:35:13 AM PST by RGSpincich
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To: ovrtaxt
He's been pushing like hell to get them PERMANENT and to have the death tax repealed. Non support in his OWN party ensured he does not have the political capital to get those things done before he leaves office, and you're whining he didn't get push hard enough for further tax cuts??

Do you not see the essential dichotomy? We we refuse to support the GOOD ideas because of the occasional perceived BAD ideas, WE have destroyed the Republican party.

78 posted on 01/26/2008 6:35:30 AM PST by cake_crumb (Even if you're unable to FIGHT to save your country, you CAN vote to save it.)
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To: roamer_1

Yes, and that strategy yields 39-40 percent like GHWB in 1992.


79 posted on 01/26/2008 6:35:55 AM PST by Theodore R. ( Cowardice is still forever!)
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To: Reo
"I can't imagine Rummy ever losing to BJ eight years later."

Make that 12 years.....and a second cup of coffee, please......

80 posted on 01/26/2008 6:36:49 AM PST by Reo
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