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To: Hoosiersailor

“I’ve been a Methodist for many years. I keep hearing more and more bad things about the church. I’ve never seen or heard of anything by the churchs I’ve gone to like I keep hearing about on this site. Maybe its because I have always gone to smaller churches in a small town. I don’t know if this is a widespread problem or just everytime a few idiots do something stupid they make a big deal about it.”

Like the Episcopals, Presbyterians, and apparently the Lutherans now the Methodists have allowed certain radicals to obtain positions of leadership at the national level. Usually these people work their way in from an extremely liberal congregation in San Fran, Boulder, or parts of Wisconsin. Once in position they manipulate the system to push their liberal agenda.

Most Congregations have limited access to the information which IMO is intentional. Each church provides some monetary support and in many cases their property is actually owned by the national organization. They also exercise economic control over the clergy. For example Presbyterian ministers will lose their retirement if they move to another denomination.


15 posted on 01/26/2008 4:47:23 AM PST by driftdiver
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To: driftdiver
Like the Episcopals, Presbyterians, and apparently the Lutherans now the Methodists have allowed certain radicals to obtain positions of leadership at the national level.

And the media, academia, and our government bureaucracies, Federal, state, and local. It's Gramscian socialism - infiltration into the root institutions of our society so that they can drive our agenda. I believe Antonio Gramsci died in jail. At least I hope so.

16 posted on 01/26/2008 4:59:00 AM PST by Hardastarboard (DemocraticUnderground.com is an internet hate site.)
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To: driftdiver

Well put and right on the money. These “mainline churches” are on the decline while non denominational churches are on the rise.


20 posted on 01/26/2008 5:14:32 AM PST by Recon Dad (Marine Spec Ops Dad)
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To: driftdiver

“Most Congregations have limited access to the information which IMO is intentional. Each church provides some monetary support and in many cases their property is actually owned by the national organization. They also exercise economic control over the clergy. For example Presbyterian ministers will lose their retirement if they move to another denomination.”

Then it would be your duty to show them how to get the information they need. All of the information they need can be found on this page:http://archives.umc.org/interior.asp?ptid=1&mid=2650


34 posted on 01/26/2008 6:38:15 AM PST by antisocial (Texas SCV - Deo Vindice)
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To: driftdiver

“now the Methodists have allowed certain radicals to obtain positions of leadership at the national level.”

NOW!?!? No, it’s been going on in the UMC for a long time.


63 posted on 01/26/2008 7:55:21 AM PST by Wuli (a)
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To: driftdiver

The rank and file methodists, most of whom are good conservative Christians, need to do a major house-cleaning. PC liberal beaurocrats should have no place in the church leadership.


71 posted on 01/26/2008 8:45:08 AM PST by Mogollon
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