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Goodbye Rudy, Tuesday (Giuliani a goner--tawdry personal life a turnoff)
NY TIMES ^ | January 23, 2008 | Timothy Egan

Posted on 01/25/2008 5:08:53 PM PST by Liz

For 50 days, Giuliani had the Sunshine State nearly to himself........he’s sucked up to Miami's Cuban vote, pandered in Cape Canaveral about the space program, tried to scare retirees in South Florida. There he is riding in a fire truck in a Miami parade, trailed by angry firefighters who blame him for multiple failures when NY was attacked.......in the Panhandle, he's the consummate Yankees fan trying to look down-home on the Redneck Riviera.

Yet, the more they see of Giuliani, the more his poll numbers tank...... Rudy’s campaign is in meltdown. Amazing how much voters bring up his tawdry personal life. They laugh about Rudy in drag and Rudy when he lived with a gay couple.....in a state full of mothers who live for phone calls from long-distance adult children, there’s one thing they can’t abide – Rudy’s wreck of a family life......people roll their eyes over the story of how Giuliani’s third wife picked him up in a cigar bar while he was still married to the second Mrs. Hizzoner.

I heard no end of condemnation over the mayor’s estrangement from his two children. He spent more than anyone but Mitt Romney in NH, and finished a distant fourth. And as Michael Powell and Russ Buettner documented in a remarkable piece in the Times earlier this week, Giuliani ruled by crushing anyone who dared to cross him.

(Excerpt) Read more at egan.blogs.nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial; Politics/Elections; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: fl2008; giuliani; giulianitruthfile; ihaterudy; ihaterudyihaterudy; liberalgiuliani; liberalrudy; lizcrapsherself; lizgonenuts; lizpeesherselfagain; lizspewsagain; lizspewsbile; lizunhinged; rinogiuliani; rinorudy; rudy
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To: monkapotamus

Down for the count-—LOL.


41 posted on 01/25/2008 6:12:29 PM PST by Liz (Rooty's not getting my guns or the name of my hairdresser.)
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To: Liz
While I am a Romney supporter, I suggest that you re-read your posts over the last year, and consider how you present yourself.

"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."

42 posted on 01/25/2008 6:13:44 PM PST by Miss Marple
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To: BunkDetector
“We’ve gotta admit the NYT came up with a great headline for this article.”
Mick and Keith

Gotta agree with Mick and Keith there. I just sat and admired the headline for a few minutes before I could get past it to read the article.

43 posted on 01/25/2008 6:16:03 PM PST by lonevoice (It's always "Apologize to a Muslim Hour"...somewhere)
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To: Miss Marple

diatribes


44 posted on 01/25/2008 6:16:33 PM PST by prognostigaator
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To: Miss Marple

diatribes


45 posted on 01/25/2008 6:16:39 PM PST by prognostigaator
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To: Liz

Tired old tired old. Digest of old FR threads. Yawn.


46 posted on 01/25/2008 6:17:41 PM PST by firebrand
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To: BunkDetector
Doubt it. That’s what the people who live/vacation there call it.

...and have been for thirty years.

47 posted on 01/25/2008 6:18:52 PM PST by rogue yam
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To: Liz

Giuliani’s campaign advisers are fools. They thought Giuliani could use his 9-11 hero status to launch him to the nomination without any retail politics. It turns out that there are no “bye” weeks in the political playoffs. The lesson to be learned here is that you have to show up to play in order to win. For that, I will give Mitt Romney credit for.


48 posted on 01/25/2008 6:24:02 PM PST by Kuksool
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To: flintsilver7
What percentage of your posts would you say include the phrases “gun grabbing” or “baby killing?”

Why, does it matter?

Furthermore, has it occurred to you how incredibly misleading those phrases are as you attempt to attribute them to Romney?

Not misleading in the least.

His coincidental conversion on pro-life issues is too conveniently close to his presidential run. Maybe I will believe him if he retains those views a few years after he loses the election.

His gun record is self evident.

49 posted on 01/25/2008 6:24:42 PM PST by roamer_1 (Conservative always, Republican no more. Keyes '08)
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To: shrinkermd

He’s second only to McCain in being a RINO. I would rather have the democrat than either of them.


50 posted on 01/25/2008 6:26:31 PM PST by babygene (Never look into the laser with your last good eye...)
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To: Liz
Interesting factoids.

It makes you wonder why Rudy wants the nomination for the big enchilada so badly now when he took two passes on ending Hillary's career twice in the last eight years.

In any case, I think it will be all over for him if he doesn't finish at least a strong second in Florida.

He may go on to Super Tuesday in hopes of collecting enough delegates in states like New Jersey to bargain with. Time will tell.

51 posted on 01/25/2008 6:29:50 PM PST by Vigilanteman (Are there any men left in Washington? Or are there only cowards? Ahmad Shah Massoud)
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To: babygene

Just saw him on Hannity and Colmes, predicting he would win Florida and win the nomination. He didn’t have much conviction in his voice.


52 posted on 01/25/2008 6:30:23 PM PST by MomwithHope (I have never had a tagline....oops...)
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To: TommyDale; Liz

“Yet, the more they see of him here, the more his poll numbers tank. “

“Liz, you and I were predicting this months ago!”

I’m sure I read on FR as early as April or May 07 that Rudy was sure to tank. It’s common sense; which is why we didn’t hear it from the MSM.

That IS a good headline.


53 posted on 01/25/2008 6:30:28 PM PST by Forgiven_Sinner (For God so loved the world, that He gave His only Son that whosoever believes in Him should not die)
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To: Liz
as a rudybot from New York City I feel this is a great shame. Unfortunately most of us could see it coming.

His greatest strength as a leader in New York city was that he didn’t care what the New York Times thought. Ever. He didn’t compromise to gain political favor (much more often than not anyway) in the end, this left him with no base locally or nationally.

He also has a terrible tendency (fed by his ego no doubt) to completely mishandle his desire to be a king maker (Endorsing Cuomo over pataki, not running against Hillary) always holding his support and funds till the worst possible moment, by which it was usually too late and poorly timed. This is not the sign of a bad leader, it’s the sign of a poor politician.

At rare moments I have seen the kind of passion and brilliance that can inspire and gain the support of those that might otherwise disagree with him. It was hardly ever visible in this campaign.

The political side is his weakness, and as much as Conservatives and Republicans like to think of themselves above that sort of thing... as we can see with our crop of candidates substance matters for very little.

54 posted on 01/25/2008 6:32:12 PM PST by rice08
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To: rice08

As a New Yorker, is there any truth to what they say about Rudy and Bernie?


55 posted on 01/25/2008 6:36:35 PM PST by tear gas (Because of the 22nd Amendment, we are losing President. Bush. Can we afford to lose him now?)
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To: Liz
Yeah, the NYT roasted him and I know that a lot of Freepers will clap hands in delight. But, as I trudge through the news, attempting to reconcile my loss of Fred Thompson, Rudy still figures in my thinking.

Mitt's just too perfect and too, oh, I don't know -- grey. Not the hair, mind you, his persona. Rudy's got a bit of fighting spirit in him and that appeals to me.

And before I get flamed, let me just say that if McCain, Romney and Huckabee supporters get to choose their candidates for emotional reasons, then I reserve the right to, too. Yippee!. Now that Fred's out of the race I can stop thinking logically and have fun along with the rest of the party.

It's actually quite liberating . . . and sobering when you think about how we'll probably lose in November because we don't have a damned thing different to offer.

56 posted on 01/25/2008 6:46:08 PM PST by BfloGuy (It is not from the benevolence of the butcher, the brewer, or the baker, that we can expect . . .)
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To: rfp1234
Well, the Slimes had better brace itself for a few interesting letters to the editor from that region...

Nope. I spend three weeks a year in Panama City Beach. They're proud of the "Redneck Riviera" moniker.

57 posted on 01/25/2008 6:46:11 PM PST by buccaneer81 (Bob Taft has soiled the family name for the next century.)
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To: rfp1234
That’s good to know, thanks; I may eventually need to retire outside of Kaliforneeeeea, you never know...

It doesn't get much more conservative than the Florida panhandle. It's a joy to flee Ohio for three weeks a year and soak in the love.

58 posted on 01/25/2008 6:49:00 PM PST by buccaneer81 (Bob Taft has soiled the family name for the next century.)
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To: rice08
......he didn’t care what the New York Times thought.........

Not just the NYT, he doesn't care what anybody thinks. Evidence of his arrogant self-absorption.......he wants it HIS way. Wants to do what suits him, and have everyone sit back and say nothing.

He baited and demeaned conservatives---arrogantly said "so don't vote for me"----when so/cals sounded the alarm at his religious cleansing of the Repub party, his kicking so/cals to the curb.

His flop as a candidate was predictable----and exactly what he deserves.

59 posted on 01/25/2008 6:54:28 PM PST by Liz (Rooty's not getting my guns or the name of my hairdresser.)
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To: Dog Gone

Oh yeah, like he really means it.

I’m operating on his record. Like I do with all candidates. I never listen to debates or sully my opinion with a lot of blathering lies and false promises. “As they have done... so shall they do” is my political commandment.


60 posted on 01/25/2008 6:54:31 PM PST by Seruzawa
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