Mitt Romney: The Real Truth

Evangelicals for Mitt ^ | 11 January 2007 | David French

[org.whodat]

You poor little thing, until today I thought the underwear thing was a Joke. But if you go back and read real slow you may find you have me confused with someone else. I however find this really funny, "the man does wear magic undies". Do you have a pair as well? LOL

[Colofornian]

If we are honest, most of us are more conservative now than we use to be! Conservatism should come with life experience, age and wisdom. I would say I am LOTS more conservative now, than I was 5 years ago...certainly more than I was 10 or 20 years ago. I believe Romney supports life, is a great business man,has very strong moral convictions, and will surround himself with a very competent cabinet.

What you say is born out in data (folks generally become more conservative as they get older). The problem is that Mitt has NEVERED governed conservatively. (Two pro-life actions in '05 sandwiched around a solidly pro-abortion statement & followed by pro-abortion actions in '06 does not make for "conservative" governing)

And anyone who thinks that the Bay State would put in place a conservative as guv doesn't know the Bay state.

[WOSG]

“Neither does Limbaugh.”

If you cant detect that Rush, like most thinking conservatives, believes and knows that Mitt Romney is a much more palatable candidate for conservatives than a known backstabber like Proamnesty-antiBushtaxcuts-proCO2caps-CFR-RINO John McCain, you have NOT been listening to him.

[Colofornian]

Other than for the afore mentioned plants here, this is the thing I least understand about some here. With all the flak the right takes about religion from the left, one would think we would be a little more tolerant & understanding.

The left openly opposes us as Christians. Mormons take more of a flanking strategy like the sci-fi movie, Invasion of the Body Snatchers. On the one hand, they pretend to be one of us, ("We're Christians, too. See, we look almost just like you"--all the while camouflaging that if they really believed that, they wouldn't be sending out a million missionaries with about half of them attempting to convert Christians already living at those residences--would they?). Meanwhile, they keep figuratively digging in our graveyards & graveyard records for a never-ending appetite for names..."more names"..."we must have more names for our temple rituals"..."we must baptize more dead folks"..."more"..."more"..."we are obsessed with your dead"...Then, just like the movie, they pinpoint who is NOT one of them..."that person is an apostate!" says the accuser, pretending to be "Christian"...just like the original prophet-pod person said, "I was told by the personage I should join NONE of those Christian families, for I was told that all their creeds were an abomination in His sight, and their professors were all corrupt...for they all apostacized as his representatives of the earth."

So, Mormons smile to your face. They're nice neighbors. They'll tell you, "Oh, you'll be saved even if you stay in your Christian church. We don't put down your faith." Then they tithe on a printed message that says the non-Mormon church is the "church of the devil" (1 Nephi 14:9-10)& send their sons & daughters to try to convert your adult children & Boy Scout grandchildren...all the while spreading the message from door-to-door by missionary & by millions of the printed word that your faith is a complete apostasy...they smile to your face as they assassinate the spiritual reputation of every Protestant, Catholic, & Orthodox individual & church...and then they have the nerve to call that a "revelation" from God & canonize it as LDS "Scripture"...and they wonder why, "Gee, what did we do to make folks a little less tolerant & understanding of us?" [Don't believe me? Read it for yourself...Google "pearl of great price, Joseph Smith - History, verses 18-20, especially v. 19]

I think I would rather deal with the frontal assaults of the Left than the more subtle counterfeiting, side-stabbing, & spiritual reputation assassination engaged in by Mormons. Christians can and should be critiqued on an individual & church by church & denomination by denomination basis--critiqued from both the inside & out. What I object to is Smith's 1830s scorched-earth policy where he planted a spiritual nuke targeting every single Christian professing believer, every single Christian creed, and every single Christian church with no distinctions whatsoever...

Then, having established the new "graveyard" of Christianity, what does Smith do? Why he decides to erect the "restored" church all upon the alleged graveyard of Christianity. No Christian graveyard, no LDS church. No complete universal apostasy, no restoration. No restoration, no need for Joseph Smith.

[Reno232]

NEVER governed conservatively? Did you read the article at all? Why did the Citizens for Life organization give Romney the Leadership Award in Mass.? If he wasn’t really a conservative, why do all these conservative leaders that we’ve counted on over the last couple of decades or so, say he’s conservative & in many cases endorse him?

These are folks who have carried the conservative banner for a long time. How much have you done for the conservative movement in comparison? Are you so audacious as to think you know better than them? Please share w/ us your credentials.

[Reno232]

I see we’re back to the same ole m.o. This has been a political thread that you will now hijack into a religious one. I’ll leave others to determine what your motives are & what you’re all about & perhaps from whence you come.

I’ve told you on several occasions Colofornian, if you would like to have a reasoned discussion about religion, I’m game. But it’s the sandbox where you live, & I don’t play in the sandbox. There’s a rather long thread right now that is dealing w/ the whole Mormon issue. Perhaps that would be the place to take up these kinds of issues. Not a thread like this where your intent seems to be nothing but to flame. It’s late & I’ve got a big day tomorrow. Flame away, I’ll not return the volley.

[Colofornian]

NEVER governed conservatively? Did you read the article at all? Why did the Citizens for Life organization give Romney the Leadership Award in Mass.? If he wasn’t really a conservative, why do all these conservative leaders that we’ve counted on over the last couple of decades or so, say he’s conservative & in many cases endorse him?

OK, let's first examine the history of MA Citizen For Life. Now we all know that Romney tried to run to the left of opponent Ted Kennedy in 1994. Despite that, what did MA Citizen for Life do? Why they endorsed Romney! According to American Spectator:

In fact, Romney has always had a complicated relationship with pro-lifers. His run against Kennedy in 1994, his first candidacy for public office, was characterized by debate and confusion over his stand on abortion. He accepted an endorsement from Massachusetts Citizens for Life while vying for the Republican nomination. But he declared himself to have been pro-choice even before Roe v. Wade, having joined his mother in support of legal abortion during her failed 1970 Senate bid from Michigan. Romney retained the Massachusetts Citizens for Life endorsement because he supported parental-consent laws, opposed taxpayer-funded abortion or mandatory abortion coverage under a national health insurance plan and was against the Freedom of Choice Act that would have codified Roe (later in the campaign, he said might be willing to support another version of the legislation. Source: http://www.spectator.org/dsp_article.asp?art_id=7798

Then, how did MA Citizens for Life view Romney during his gubernatorial years? Despite its Exec Director saying that "Having Governor Romney in the corner office for the last four years has been one of the strongest assets the pro-life movement has had in Massachusetts. what did she say during those governing years?

In 2002 during his campaign run, Sturgis said: "...her group had never offered an endorsement to Romney. Romney is 'not pro-life and does not meet their requirements.' (MIT News, 11-1-02) In March 2005, Sturgis "said she hasn't detected any change in Romney's stance. The group considers Romney to be an abortion-rights supporter, as do national antiabortion groups such as the Family Research Council." (Boston Globe, 3-05) In May 2005, MCFL doubted the sincerity of Romney's move to pro-life positions: "Massachusetts Citizens for Life says it considers Romney to be an abortion-rights supporter, and it is unimpressed with those moves." (Boston Globe, 5-25-05). Sources: Boston Globe, MIT News and http://massresistance.blogspot.com/2007/03/mass-citizens-for-life-changed-its-tune.html

How much have you done for the conservative movement in comparison? Are you so audacious as to think you know better than them? Please share w/ us your credentials.

Sorry, nobody's going to goad me into boasting. (And I don't have a godhood throne waiting dependent upon my good works, as if an omniscient God needed his mind changed about whom I am inside and out)

[Colofornian]

Changing the hearts and minds is much more effective than changing the law, and we should eagerly embrace those who "see the light!"

While generally a true statement, it's not true from the standpoint of being that pre-born baby in the womb whose mom is pro-abortion in an open-season zone upon the womb. Changing hearts is always hit & miss; the coverage of law, while not perfect (as evidenced during the back-alley days), would be favored by the average pre-born baby if they could be polled. We must be their voice.

[CottonBall]

Or you could vote for the phony Christian - Huckabee. He preaches humanism and finances it by socialism.

The Vatican is doing the same thing. They expect us taxpayers to finance all the illegals.

Being Christian isn't what it used to be.

[CottonBall]

Yeah, Reagan was a Demoncrat and then changed into a Republican, a conservative. For some reason that’s okay. Go figure!

And I hear this site used to support W and amnesty. And everyone's still here, enjoying free speech and an awesome site! People can change their minds for the better. I don't think all of us were little conservatives in 1st grade. It's a process to get to be one, fueled by intelligence, logic, and rational thinking.

[CottonBall]

I don’t want to discuss YOUR underwear or anyone else’s underwear.

Didn't Clinton discuss his style of underwear with a journalist or someone? Let's home no R candidate ever gets that low...

[CottonBall]

while Huckabee is a realive baby born 8 years after Romney.

I must be a bad judge of age. I thought it would be the reverse.

[CottonBall]

He endorses no one so far. Neither does Limbaugh.

I can't argue that that is false. He is going out of his way NOT to endorse anyone. However, he has said that if McCain or Huckabee gets the nomination, the GOP will be destroyed. Today someone posted that he said if McCain or Huck get the nomination, he might vote for a Dem (I didn't hear that myself, so it's gossip). For someone NOT endorsing anyone, he is managing to remove all doubt who he is for.

[EternalVigilance]

Gosh, all this Romney spin, trying to make the man’s hard Left record as Governor just go away, and I don’t see an actual link to the documents they’re spinning against.

http://www.massresistance.org/docs/marriage/romney/record/

It’s mostly just news articles and a recitation of Romney’s actual words and record.

Amazing how afraid of Mitt’s record his supporters are.

[Global2010]

OK OK I am a Mom for Mitt.

My adult son has been a Mitt man from the get go...

I refuse to vote in the end if Mitt is not on the ticket.

I am so sick of the rhetoric.

I am so ticked right now I might just give the silk pony a vote.

Yes I am that ticked.

We need American workers...

Guess who has been showing up in droves around here self owned 2nd gen biz owners ....but with 50yr old tradition of voting dem.

No not stupid hippie types just old generation family dems...

Oh yeah I am losing faith and those coming around are losing faith too...

One God One Nation.

Where is that in the one sheet toilet paper primaries.

[jan in Colorado]

We must be their voice.

I agree with you completely! I didn't in any way mean the law shouldn't be changed. It is immoral as well as unconstitutional. I was just stating that many prolife people are very judgmental about people that have changed their position and I think that is also very wrong. We need to fight to get the law changed, BUT we also need to teach and educate those that think it is OK...not by being critical and judgmental, but by calmly teaching them the truth.

My generation, and those after me have been brainwashed with propaganda (just like this generation has with homosexuality), to believe and accept that abortion is OK.

Not too many years ago, I still thought it would be acceptable for rape or incest...but one day I realized, that isn't acceptable to God either. I am ashamed that I ever believed that lie, but I am thankful I have grown enough to confront the issue honestly and KNOW, no matter what the law says, A life is a life no matter how it was conceived.

I pray the day comes soon that it is no longer legal to murder babies...but I also pray that even before that happens, that more and more people acknowledge that a life is a precious gift from God!

Behold, children are a gift of the LORD; The fruit of the womb is a reward."
Psalm 127:3

For Thou didst form my inward parts; Thou didst weave me in my mother's womb.
I will give thanks to Thee, for I am fearfully and wonderfully made;
Wonderful are Thy works, And my soul knows it very well.
My frame was not hidden from Thee, When I was made in secret,
[And] skillfully wrought in the depths of the earth.
Thine eyes have seen my unformed substance; And in Thy book they were all written,
The days that were ordained [for me], When as yet there was not one of them.
Psalm 139:13-16

[Saundra Duffy]

You’re right. Mitt is way too conservative for liberals and democrats. They fear him the most. That’s why it is shocking to me that so many FReepers have such hatred for Romney. Don’t they realize they are in bed with liberal democrats on that subject, only the liberal democrats hate him because he’s TOO conservative. It’s the oddest thing.

Anyway, I’m proud to support Mitt Romney, the man of the hour.

[El Gato]

I must be a bad judge of age. I thought it would be the reverse.

Don't feel bad, I would have thought as well. I guess the Huck has been rode hard and put up wet a few too many times.

However it's not that unusual. My brother is 6 years my junior, and at our father's funeral he was at great pains to explain that HE was the younger brother. (and that his son was indeed HIS son, not mine, since my nephew looks quite a bit like me.) My wife is oldest of five, yet both her sisters, 2+ and 7 years younger both look older due to that same "rode hard and put up wet" phenomenon.