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With Thompson out, Tom McClintock leans to Ron Paul
Los Angeles Times ^ | Jan 25, 2008 | Dan Morain

Posted on 01/25/2008 12:59:01 PM PST by CautiouslyHopeful

With Fred Thompson out of the presidential race, who's a self-respecting conservative to go for? Could it be, maybe, perhaps, a certain Republican-libertarian from Texas?

That's one question perplexing California state Sen. Tom McClintock, possibly the second-most-famous California Republican currently in office after Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger.

McClintock created a stir two months when he endorsed Thompson’s presidential candidacy. Having run for governor, lieutenant governor and state controller, McClintock has shown that while he has not won a statewide contest, he can win GOP primaries, which conservatives tend to dominate. So heading into the Feb. 5 primary, McClintock’s endorsement is seen as important in California.

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TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: california; donquixote; elections; fredthompson; mcclintock; paul; ronpaul; tommcclintock; tommiclintock
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To: Truthsearcher

Actually, you have it just backwards... if we lose our Constitution and our freedom (all in the name of the ILLUSION of “security”), it won’t matter WHAT all the jihad johnnies do... we will no longer be a viable nation. Nor will we have anything left WORTH defending. Say what you will, shrinking fedgov MASSIVELY is the absolutely most important thing we can do as a nation... and NO ONE outside Dr. Paul is even mentioning that sad fact.


301 posted on 01/25/2008 6:02:23 PM PST by dcwusmc (We need to make government so small that it can be drowned in a bathtub.)
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To: papasmurf
Can you point me to any of his position papers? Something with an actual plan of action? I’m especially interested in his Military and Foreign Policy positions.

Here you go.

The false illusion of safety that our current administration offers is not worth sacrificing liberty to obtain. In standing up for this concept, Ron Paul is the true patriot among the presidential candidates, for a true patriot does not stand for his country, but what his country should stand for, and when his country loses its way, the patriot's duty is to bring it back to where it was.

303 posted on 01/25/2008 6:18:49 PM PST by KDD (A nod is as good as a wink to a blind horse)
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To: dcwusmc

No, I don’t have it backwards, bad domestic policies can be reversed, you lose against the Islamofacists you don’t get a second chance.

It’s the difference between fixing the foundations of your house when somebody is outside trying to set your house on fire.

Sure the house will collapse without good foundations, but the immediate threat is the fire from the outside.


304 posted on 01/25/2008 6:21:51 PM PST by Truthsearcher
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To: CautiouslyHopeful

IF the Mitster can say “ Oh NOW I am ProLife “,

Ron Paul can say “ Oh, NOW I think we should attack Iran “

If he does he gets my vote... maybe.


305 posted on 01/25/2008 6:41:10 PM PST by TomasUSMC ( FIGHT LIKE WW2, FINISH LIKE WW2. FIGHT LIKE NAM, FINISH LIKE NAM)
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To: calcowgirl
The message from the Senator was not literal. It was code.The code translates to:

Run folks !!!

The Republican Party is really screwed up.

Run as fast as you can!!!

If Mr. Paul is as close to a conservative as the Republican Party can muster, you've got to appreciate the Senator's dilemma. The Senator can't bite the hand that feeds/funds him. The best he can do is to send the code.

306 posted on 01/25/2008 6:44:17 PM PST by Amerigomag
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To: Amerigomag

Well said.


307 posted on 01/25/2008 6:46:25 PM PST by Eric Blair 2084 (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms shouldn't be a federal agency...it should be a convenience store.)
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To: CautiouslyHopeful

But can the Republican Party really endorse an anti-Iraq-War candidate?

In a word? NO.


308 posted on 01/25/2008 6:46:43 PM PST by tpanther
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To: tpanther

Just remember, nation building is NOT a conservative principle. Conservatives don’t even believe that “nation building” is a good idea domestically.

William F. Buckley of National Review despises the thought. GW Bush railed against it during his 2000 campaign.

If you want to make the argument that 3,000 American citizens being brutally murdered and scorched to death painfully by a foreign invader changes everything...you could certainly make an intelligent case that the world changed on 9/11/2001.

We all hate the leftist Dems who are actively rooting for our defeat in Iraq to advance their own personal desire for power. Paul is a different animal.


309 posted on 01/25/2008 6:56:56 PM PST by Eric Blair 2084 (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms shouldn't be a federal agency...it should be a convenience store.)
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To: Amerigomag
It was code.

Good point. Thanks.

310 posted on 01/25/2008 6:57:46 PM PST by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: CAluvdubya
“Man, everybody is struggling with this election. We need a do-over for sure!”

I'll vote for that.

311 posted on 01/25/2008 7:01:17 PM PST by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: Eric Blair 2084

Huh?

We rebuilt Germany and Japan because the world was criticized for leaving Germany in a total mess the first time around!

And now that we’ve gotten al-qaeda subdued, incidentally by drawing them into Iraq as opposed to leaving them all over the globe...it would be criminal to leave Iraq now that the place is so close to stability!

Besides, it really isn’t so much an issue of “nation building” as it is freedom, (assisting to procure and keep it) which very much IS a conservative principle.

The U.S. SHOULD assist when feasible the weak in obtaining freedom from suppression, human rights abuses to say nothing of our national interests when it comes to oil and stability in the middle east.

If the U.N. even remotely did it’s job or we weren’t so dependent on oil it might be a differrent matter, but that’s just not the case.


312 posted on 01/25/2008 7:08:04 PM PST by tpanther
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To: KDD

Look, I’m more than wiling to take the time and read Dr. Paul’s POSITIONS and POLICY PAPERS.

But, please, don’t insult yourself by pointing me to his speeches and articles.

I need to see what his he intends to do, and how he intends to do it. NOT what he thinks should be done.

If you’re basing your support of him on what he thinks, you are in for a big let down.


313 posted on 01/25/2008 7:10:02 PM PST by papasmurf (No "Leftovers" for me.)
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To: TomasUSMC

Vote for Paul, get Hillary. The thought of Hillary as commander-in-chief should be enough to sober up even the most ideologically drunken Marine.


314 posted on 01/25/2008 7:14:58 PM PST by Thurston Peak
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To: tpanther

Don’t taze me bro.

The analogy I use when I try to explain the idea of going on the offense against the islamofascists to my liberal friends at a BBQ is this after sunset and a bunch of beer and burgers....

“John, we should be infested by mosquitoes here on the deck on this warm night, right? See that blue light, bug zapper there in the corner? All of the bugs and mosquitoes are going there to die. They’re not bothering us. Iraq is like the jihadi roach motel. The jihadis check in but they don’t check out.”


315 posted on 01/25/2008 7:16:32 PM PST by Eric Blair 2084 (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms shouldn't be a federal agency...it should be a convenience store.)
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To: ontap
(1) Select all the candidates that I feel have a chance at the nomination

This is why the republican party is strapped with RINOs. You're doing too much feeling and not enough thinking. I'm not saying vote for Ron Paul, but Jeez, have the courage of your convictions.

316 posted on 01/25/2008 7:20:34 PM PST by SwankyC
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To: Eric Blair 2084

Well, unfortuantely the flaw in that argument is you have but one zapper. You’d need about 50 million of them in your backyard alone!

They had a long war beween Iraq and Iran, so that’s not the answer.

Frankly, I don’t know the answer, but there’s no “containing” them, they’re already uncontained, all over Europe, Indonesia, indeed the world.


317 posted on 01/25/2008 7:30:34 PM PST by tpanther
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To: SwankyC

I understand only 3 percent of the population won the American Revolution.


318 posted on 01/25/2008 7:32:03 PM PST by CatholicEagle (Byzantine Catholicism: The original traditional Catholicism)
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To: papasmurf

By that standard, I don’t think I could vote for any of the candidates.


319 posted on 01/25/2008 7:34:12 PM PST by CatholicEagle
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To: Eric Blair 2084

“We all hate the leftist Dems who are actively rooting for our defeat in Iraq to advance their own personal desire for power. Paul is a different animal.”

Hear! Hear! I second that. Spot on.


320 posted on 01/25/2008 7:38:08 PM PST by CatholicEagle
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