Posted on 01/24/2008 8:40:09 AM PST by mnehring
HERE’S A VERY INTERESTING AT&T BELL LABS ROSWELL UFO
topic older thread at ATS:
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread59681/pg1
ANYONE YOU KNOW BEEN ABDUCTED OR POSSIBLY ABDUCTED?
To put this in it’s own post, additional gleanings from ATS will follow this post.
FROM:
http://members.tripod.com/~Magic32/52questions.htm
Many millions of people, it seems, have had encounters with alien beings. Many of those people do not realize that they are having these experiences because of suppressed memories. Their awareness is limited to an occasional paranormal incident that seems to confuse them more than anything else. Some people are not ready to know for sure, others feel a deep need to know if they are involved with the beings. If you are in the later group, read on.
This is a list of 52 common indicators shared by most UFO abductees. It is based on known research on the subject and on personal findings. It has been compiled to help you determine if you are an abductee.
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Of course there may be other explanations for these occurrences and this is in no way an absolute means of knowing if you are an abductee.
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[Quix emphasis added]
If you or someone you know does fit many of these traits listed here, PLEASE seek the help of a qualified researcher of therapist. This list is not in any particular order.
Ask yourself if you . . .
1. Have had missing or lost time of any length, especially one hour or more.
2. Have been paralyzed in bed with a being in your room.
3. Have unusual scars or marks with no possible explanation on how you received them. especially if you have an emotional reaction to them. (i.e. small scoop indentation, straight line scar, scars in roof of mouth. in nose, behind or in ears, or genitals, etc.
4. Have seen balls of light or flashes of light in your home or other locations
5. Have a memory of flying through the air which could not be a dream.
6. Have a “marker memory” that will not go away (i.e.: alien face, examination, needle, table, strange baby, etc.)
7. Have seen beams of light outside your home, or come into your room through a window.
8. Have had dreams of UFOs, beams of light, or alien beings.
9. Have had a UFO sighting or sightings in your life.
10. Have a cosmic awareness, an interest in ecology, environment, vegetarianism, or are very socially conscious.
11. Have a strong sense of having a mission or important task to perform, without knowing where this compulsion came from.
12. Have had unexplainable events occur in your life, and felt strangely anxious afterwards.
13. For women only: Have had false pregnancy or missing fetus. (pregnant, and then not)
14. Have awoken in another place than where you went to sleep, or don’t remember ever going to sleep. (i.e. upside down in bed, or in your car)
15. Have had a dream of eyes such as animal eyes (like an owl or deer), or remember seeing an animal looking in at you. Also if you have a fear of eyes.
16. Have awoken in the middle of the night startled.
17. Have strong reaction to cover of Communion or pictures of aliens. Either an aversion to or being drawn to.
18. Have inexplicably strong fears or phobias. (i.e. heights, snakes, spiders, large insects, certain sounds, bright lights, your personal security or being alone).
19. Have experienced self-esteem problem much of your life.
20. Have seen someone with you become paralyzed, motionless, or frozen in time, especially someone you sleep with.
21. Have awoken with marks, burns or bruises which appeared during the night with no explanation on how you could have possibly received them.
22. Have had someone in your life who claims to have witnessed a ship or alien near you or has witnessed you having been missing.
23. Have had, at any time, blood or an unusual stain on sheet or pillow, with no explanation of how it got there.
24. Have an interest in the subject of UFO sightings or aliens, perhaps compelled to read about it a lot, or an extreme aversion towards the subject.
25. Have been suddenly compelled to drive or walk to an out of the way or unknown area.
26. Have the feeling of being watched much of the time, especially at night.
27. Have had dreams of passing through a closed window or solid wall.
28. Have seen a strange fog or haze that should not be there.
29. Have heard strange humming or pulsing sounds, and you could not identify the source.
30. Have had unusual nose bleeds at any time in your life. Or have awoken with a nose bleed.
31. Have awoken with soreness in your genitals which can not be explained.
32. Have had back or neck problems, T-3 vertebrae out often, or awoken with an unusual stiffness in any part of the body.
33. Have had chronic sinusitis or nasal problems.
34. Have had electronics around you go haywire or oddly malfunction with no explanation (such as street lights going out as you walk under them, TV’s and radios affected as you move close, etc.).
35. Have seen a hooded figure in or near your home, especially next to your bed.
36. Have had frequent or sporadic ringing in your ears, especially in one ear.
37. Have an unusual fear of doctors or tend to avoid medical treatment.
38. Have insomnia or sleep disorders which are puzzling to you.
39. Have had dreams of doctors or medical procedures.
40. Have frequent or sporadic headaches, especially in the sinus, behind one eye, or in one ear.
41. Have the feeling that you are going crazy for even thinking about these sorts of things.
42. Have had paranormal or psychic experiences, including intuition.
43. Have been prone to compulsive or addictive behavior.
44. Have channeled telepathic messages from extraterrestrials.
45. Have been afraid of your closet, now or as a child.
46. Have had sexual or relationship problems (such as a mysterious “feeling” that you must not become involved in a relationship because it would interfere with “something” important you must do).
47. Have to sleep against the wall or must sleep with your bed against a wall.
48. Have a difficult time trusting other people. especially authority figures.
49. Have had dreams of destruction or catastrophe.
50. Have the feeling that you are not supposed to talk about these things, or that you should not talk about them.
51. Have tried to resolve these types of problems with little or no success.
52. Have many of these traits but can’t remember anything about an abduction or alien encounter.
More gleanings to follow from ATS in the next post.
Additional gleanings from ATS:
Meltdown is a Fraud! They want to eliminate Cash.
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread399994/pg1
Part of his post:
Meltdown is a Fraud! They want to eliminate Cash.
Ok, first I think I need to point something out.
Since our money is not backed by gold or silver anymore, and it is purely a legal tender for debt; the WORTH of MONEY is based 100% purely on your Imagination.
If you think your money is worth something, than it is.
If you think your money is a worthless piece of paper, than it becomes so.
Our monetary system is based purely on CONFIDENCE.
So , why would the Corporate Media be so hard core about freaking everyone out? Making everyone feel insecure, causing everyone to lapse into bouts of paranoia and panic??
First of all, why would international bankers, prop up a monetary system , use it for a century , then crash it on purpose??
Ok if you have done your homework around here, you would probably be jumping up yelling the answers at me already lol.
1) International Bankers “intrests” dominate Corporate Media
2) Corporate Media is creating a meltdown mentality by spreading hysteria, panic, paranoia and fear.
So basically what im saying is that since the TRUTH about MONEY is that its based Purely on CONFIDENCE (No resource backing it except our imagination) than it only follows that the Media knows what they are doing by CREATING a meltdown from scratch!
The bankers are using the media as their mouthpiece, to spread the hysteria. In a legitimate world, all of these people would be hauled off to prison for this type of crime. Its fraud on a scale never before seen lol. Im simply astonished.
Why tho? Why would they do this?
Perhaps, those frightening tales we have heard spoke of all too often in our other forums (NWO etc) ; could be true.
I know many people have wondered already, is this to bring in the Amero?
I will stand up right now and say it has become all to clear to me, that this is indeed the plan.
It may not be the Amero tho, they could just steamroll this into the new international “credits” system for all i know.
I wont say what the “new form of $$$” will be, because NONE of us know that. They could change it at the last minute, its just a minor detail.
I do want to make my accusations known to the world however.
I blame the banking elite for creating the meltdown outta thin air, only the serve their agenda for world domination. As if they didnt dominate it enough already (i mean geez they can crash the market and no one can figure out who did it)
The top familys have enough wealth to effectively buyout any companys stock or sell it off in such a way, they can control that section of the market, to an Extent.
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Zeitgeist film link adendum:
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread397692/pg1
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Polish ‘psychic’ source:
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread368400/pg1
Looking back at what I said, and what is now, in the beginning of July, I am scared to confirm that the things I said in December have become fact. There was a problem in the stock-exchange in spring, I feel there will be another during the fall, a bigger one. The things that happen with oil is a problem for the economy of the whole world. What happens in the USA right now can be called a serious recession, because of the weakness of the dollar, means a worldwide crisis. So I started to seriously worry about the words “origin of war [or “beginning of war”] in November”.
Even if it starts locally, it will turn to a wider conflict, maybe not global, but wide.
Let me put it this way, we had economical (stock-exchange) problem in spring, the second one coming in the fall will be a direct cause of worldwide problems with the stock exchange.
I believe that whatever is happening right now with gas prices, I don’t think it’s accidental, it’s something... like a plan, something done on purpose, maybe as a preparation for something that can be called war.
And one more thing. If the war really starts, it will begin by a deliberate military provocation. Israel will be smart enough to cause a provocation (false flag operation) that the attack will seem like a retaliation. Some country will be blamed for something it did not do.
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Resisting the Illuminati . . . . group:
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread36762/pg1
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ATS FEMA CAMP thread:
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread59023/pg1
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ASTRONAUT DR EDGAR MITCHEL
QUESTIONS THREAD AT ATS:
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread398802/pg1
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Glen Beck says global currency is coming:
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread399620/pg1
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Actually the Bible does not discount life on other planets. The Bible revolves around his work here, on this planet.
THANK YOU for that sane answer.
Genesis 6 . . .
nephilium, watchers, fallen angels, aka ET’s
See also
the better version of ENOCH . . .
and
Did you catch these?
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread400173/pg7
Looks like there has been a steady looking forward to something substantial happening either the 13th or 14th this month.
(Of course, by interpretting current events by Prophecy instead of Prophecy by current events, these Galactic Federation of Light issues seem to be closer to the Obamanations we hear from the liberal camp. )
There seems to be some synchronicity on this next coming week, though.
The Iranian ship thing seems more valid to me, if for no other reason than all news about it seemed to dry up overnight, which IMHO, is more symptomatic of something operational or strategic being in play.
Between now and 4Nov, then 20Jan, I suspect is the largest window of vulnerability with many plays at hand.
Hmmmmm.
Haven’t paid much attention to that.
Have seen the headings/post titles on ATS.
Has sounded like a lot of New Age mumbojumbo stuff. Will see what falls out of it all.
Thx
Old Sarge . . . what do you make of the following . . . are the military aspects plausible to you?
UFO PING LIST PING
Plus assorted others.
Please let Las Vegas Dave and I know if you want on or off the list.
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FROM:
http://exopolitics.org/Exo-Comment-80.htm
Secret United Nations Meetings on Extraterrestrial Life Continue: Threats Used to Prevent Diplomatic Leaks
On October 8, 2008, I met with the original source that disclosed that a secret meeting had been held at the United Nations headquarters in New York City on February 12 to discus UFOs and extraterrestrial life. The original source, Source A, discussed the most recent developments concerning secret meetings conducted under UN auspices to discuss UFOs and extraterrestrial life. The October 8 meeting was attended by Source A, Clay and Shawn Pickering (who kindly set up the meeting) and Bob Vanderclock. I spent a total of 4.5 hours discussing the UN meetings and related issues with Source A, and others present. Source A was dressed in full US Navy uniform with identifying insignia including name and rank. He showed me his military I.D. which confirmed his name, rank and pay scale. His I.D. card was valid for a three year period and had a vertical barcode on the left hand side next to his photo.
He subsequently showed me an album filled with photos, military patches and cards that represented his various assignments and awards since first joining the US Navy in the 1960s. He explained each of the pages inside of his album to all present. The material he showed conclusively proved that he was an electronics warfare specialist with the US Navy. With all the documentation presented and his full dress Navy uniform, it was clear that he is a serving US Navy officer willing to discuss sensitive information concerning UFOs and extraterrestrial life. From his careful and precise choice of language, clarity of expression, demeanor, eye-contact and other non-verbal cues, Source A appeared very personable and sincere in the information he was disclosing.
Source A said that as far as his military superiors in the normal chain of command are concerned, they are aware of his role in leaking sensitive information. They have a tacit policy of not wanting to know what he is doing, and are not taking action to prevent him disclosing the sensitive information. It was understood that getting national media exposure would force the Navy to take disciplinary action. That is one of the main reasons why the identity of Source A has not been publicly released. He has however agreed to be physically interviewed and shown his credentials to the following researchers: Clay and Shawn Pickering, Bob Vanderclock, Robert Morningstar, Dr Bruce Maccabee, two other unnamed researchers, and most recently myself on October 8.
During the meeting, Source A disclosed that he continues to work under the direction of a US Navy admiral who is in command of the controlled leak of the meetings occurring under UN auspices. This admiral was unnamed and is not part of the official chain of military command for Source A, but is his superior in covert operations that have need-to-know security status. Thus it’s important to emphasize that Source A’s disclosures are not part of official US Navy policy, but is orchestrated by a covert operations group comprising senior Navy officials (admirals) and others.
In this article, I will discuss three aspects of what Source A revealed concerning the UN meetings at our October 8 meeting: continued meetings under UN auspices; physical threats to prevent diplomatic disclosure of the UN meetings; and role of international corporations.
Further UN Meetings
After the initial meeting on February 12, 2008, disclosed by Source A (not including the February 13-14 meeting disclosed by Gilles Lorant) there have been an additional three meetings attended by Source A. Another two meetings were held without Source A after he had been reassigned. Source A was replaced by another military officer who he has yet to meet. The same US Navy admiral remained in control of the US delegation even though he didn’t attend the additional meetings. All five additional meetings involved military representatives from member UN nations that attended the February 12 meeting with important additions and changes in personnel in attendance. All but the first were held outside of the UN headquarters and involved military officials. The composition, origin and diplomatic briefing responsibility of those attending the meetings does invite referring to them as a series of ‘UN inspired meetings concerning extraterrestrial life’.
Four additional meetings were held in Upstate New York. Upstate NY was chosen in order to have a more secure environment to that available at the UN due to the sensitive nature of the material discussed. Upstate NY also provided a more conducive environment for reaching consensus on issues that proved to be contentious at the original February 12 meeting.
According to Source A, the February 12 meeting was a diplomatic fiasco. There were too many senior diplomatic officials involved and discussions quickly became politicized. The US Navy admiral in charge of Source A’s controlled leak of information on the UN meetings, along with other senior diplomatic officials at the ambassadorial rank and senior military officials attended the February 12 meeting. The admiral continues to be in charge of the US delegation to all subsequent meetings emerging from the first UN meeting.
Source A says he travelled to Europe after the February 12 meeting to find the right military people for the forthcoming meetings to be held at Upstate NY. He went to every country in Europe in order to find out who was hostile and who was ambivalent concerning disclosure of extraterrestrial life.
It was decided that no further meetings were required at the UN since key players were known, and they could be invited to Upstate NY for additional meetings. All invited to the Upstate NY meetings were military liaisons of UN member states. These involved middle ranking officers since consensus was more likely to occur without senior diplomats who had the tendency to politicize discussions. It was decided that having middle ranking military liaisons would help keep a low profile on the difficult negotiations required for a coordinated international response to extraterrestrial life. All military liaison personnel at the Upstate NY meetings would brief senior officials in their respective diplomatic corps at the UN.
Source A said that that various nations were either in favor or opposed to a coordinated international disclosure effort. Source A emphasized that the US Navy has always been pro-disclosure and due to its leading role in policy issues concerning extraterrestrial life and the UN meetings, made the US pro-disclosure. The French along with Britain was also in favor of disclosure. Britain, however, asked that the US should lead the effort. Germany, Saudi Arabia and Islamic countries more generally were hostile to disclosure. Source A said India was “impossible to deal with”. Military liaison(s) from China attended all the Upstate NY meetings (though not the original February 12 meeting) and said that the US should “pay for disclosure”. According to Source A this was a considerable point of contention.
The subsequent meetings at Upstate NY were chaired by different countries. Source A was the highest ranking US officer at the first three post-February 12 meetings held at Upstate NY until he was replaced for the last two which were held respectively in Upstate NY and an undisclosed location in Europe.
The second UN UFO/ET meeting (the first held at Upstate NY) was held from March 24-26 and was chaired by the military liaison from Britain. Source A revealed that this was very productive in terms of consensus, goals and vision. A table of contents concerning key issues to be discussed was produced which presumably would help guide future discussions. This meeting lasted the full three days that were scheduled. China was present at the 2nd and subsequent meetings at Upstate NY and Europe.
The third UN UFO/ET meeting (second at Upstate NY) was chaired by the senior military liaison from France. According to Source A, this meeting was a disaster. This meeting ran from May 19-21 and focused on economic issues that was revealed in an earlier communication released by Clay and Sean Pickering. This meeting lasted three days.
The fourth UN UFO/ET meeting was chaired by the senior US military liaison which was Source A. An attempt was made to find neutral territory, but was unsuccessful. This meeting again, according to Source A, was a disaster. It lasted only one day from the three scheduled. The meeting occurred just prior to Source A leaving for another covert assignment at the end of May 2008.
Source A emphasized that the US Navy (and Marines) has always been focused on overall policy issues concerning extraterrestrials, while the USAF handled contact with extraterrestrial life. The US Army, Department of Energy and Department of Homeland Security have been responsible for security and bases. This is corroborated by reports that extraterrestrials had in the past showed up USAF bases to deal with representatives of the Eisenhower administration. Also, whistleblower reports confirm that Army forces have been involved with enforcing security at bases involving extraterrestrial related projects.
Source A said that USAF has handed off to the US Navy responsibility for a specific contact project involving the extraterrestrials discussed in the February 12 meeting. That means that US Navy has begun to play a role in both setting policy and contact with at least one form of extraterrestrial life.
The fifth UN UFO/ET meeting was attended by the replacement of Source A whose identity has not been revealed. This meeting was again held in Upstate NY. According to the US Navy admiral in overall charge of the US delegation (led by Source A’s replacement) the meeting was cordial.
The sixth meeting was held outside of the US (in Europe) for security reasons. According to the admiral, those involved in the European meeting were “doing good work”
Source A emphasized that the military liaisons at this series of UN inspired meetings were trying to get agreement on how to nations ought to respond to the prospect of extraterrestrial vehicles appearing over countries. It’s worth pointing out that this is the same scenario that was debated in the Japanese parliament in December 2007. It led to the Japanese Minister of Defense making a statement concerning how the Japanese self defense force might respond to such a scenario.
Source A said further that the admiral in charge of the covert disclosure process revealed the talking points for the last two meetings held without Source A’s attendance. These included the following:
1. “What if [extraterrestrial] spacecraft start making demands?”
2. “If they [extraterrestrials] do make demands, what should be our responses as a collective people?”
3. If the craft appear without any hostile intent, there should be agreement that no hostile action is taken by any nation.
4. That NATO should take whatever measures necessary to ensure no hostile response is taken in response to the appearance of any ETV occurs.
5. International Banking systems should keep operating with minimal disruption to economic systems.
6. How to ensure the global distribution of extraterrestrial knowledge and technology.
According to Source A, point six was the most difficult issue in the discussions.
Threats to UN Diplomatic Community
I raised the issue of two independent reports that diplomats had been physically threatened to remain silent about UN discussions on UFOs and extraterrestrial life. I emphasized that one of the sources involved a senior European diplomat that had relayed that the physical threats were genuine and diplomats were being silenced.
Source A mentioned that one of the reasons that the UN had been chosen was that the diplomatic community is very good at leaking information. This was an important consideration in the controlled leakage initiated by the admiral and other senior Navy officials “to gauge the responses.” In particular, they wanted to see the public response to the UN disclosures, and also the media response. The choice of UN ambassadors to receive the information was a strategic choice to help move forward the disclosure process. All ambassadors were fully briefed by their military liaisons on what transpired at the Upstate NY and European meetings. The Ambassadors were therefore an important part of the controlled leak and the covert Navy group is very interested in any threats made against them that impacts on the disclosure process.
Source A said that the world is hostile to extraterrestrial disclosure, that’s what the US Navy’s covert group is finding out. They are trying to find out where the hostility is coming from and whether it can be neutralized and reduced.
Source A confirmed the independent reports that UN diplomats were being threatened not to reveal to the public anything about the secret UN meetings discussing extraterrestrial life. Source A got his confirmation from unauthorized sources that he pointed out were more accurate than authorized sources. Unauthorized sources involved covert intelligence operations, and that Source A’s counterparts from the British M.O.D. were involved.
The covert Navy group behind the UN disclosures is trying to track down the source of the threats to the UN diplomats. So far these have been traced to international corporations.
The Role of International Corporations
I asked Source A if he was familiar with the Admiral Wilson incident where in 1997 in a meeting with Dr Stephen Greer and Dr Edgar Mitchell, Wilson was given codes to classified extraterrestrial related projects . Dr Mitchell recently commented in an interview about the incident substantially confirming what Greer had earlier disclosed.
I pointed out that Admiral Wilson was apparently denied access by the attorneys of a corporation. Source A said that many defense projects are subcontracted out to corporations. While DARPA may have started as the lead agency, they then subcontracted out to US and international contractors, e.g., SAIC, Lockheed, BAE, Airbus, EADS, etc. He pointed out that Corporations are much better at keeping secrets than the military. Small companies often chosen to do black projects, e.g., 300 employees. They can more easily enforce discipline to keep the projects secret. The US Defense Industry is filled with projects given to corporations. From our discussion, it was clear that there was much concern over the prominent role played by corporations in controlling information and access to extraterrestrial related projects.
Conclusion
There has been partial confirmation for the original meeting on February 12 from a number of independent sources. Due to the anonymous nature of these independent sources, there still has not been any significant media interest in the meetings conducted at the UN on February 12. Only the UFO/exopolitics community has shown any sustained interest in Source A’s disclosures and have attempted to verify these. Most of these efforts have occurred in association with members of the Open Minds Forum that has devoted considerable time and energy in investigating various aspects of Source A’s disclosures. The continued meetings in Upstate NY and Europe revealed by Source A require independent confirmation. Further investigation is required to confirm the meetings themselves, as well as their content and nations involved.
My impression of Source A is that he is sincere in his disclosures and genuinely involved in an effort by a covert group comprising senior US Navy officers to disclose information concerning extraterrestrial life. His willingness to have independent confirmation of his credentials and to be interviewed by different researchers does give confidence in his disclosures. While this is no guarantee that his disclosures are accurate, it does help inspire confidence that he is part of overall disclosure process sanctioned by senior Navy officials involved in covert operations.
There appears to be genuine concern over the way in which covert projects involving extraterrestrial related information is being run and the role played by corporations in controlling this. The extent to which the US Navy and other military forces have been sidelined in the internationalization and corporatization of extraterrestrial related projects is a major cause for concern. This is especially important insofar as threats to the diplomatic community to remain silent about the UN UFO/ET meetings have been traced to corporations.
It does appear that an important convergence of interests has led to senior US Navy officials in covert operations embarking on a controlled leak of information to the UFO/exopolitics community. This is a promising development given the nature of the privatized control system that has emerged to manage extraterrestrial related information. The lack of oversight and transparency of such a control system is not only a major cause of concern for the general public, but also for senior military officials who take seriously their oath to uphold and protect the US Constitution.
[Note: I wish to thank Clay and Shawn Pickering and Source A for their help in clarifying issues raised in this paper. For those wishing to ask questions or discuss the above issues, please visit the Open Mind Forum, click here]
Michael E. Salla, Ph.D
Kona, Hawaii
10/12/08
www.Exopolitics.Org
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Interesting read. Nothing immediately impossible, although staffing the unit with somebody with uniforms from the 60s tends to narrow down groups of possible military members.
The most important point was unanimous agreement against aggression if confronted with them.
Just as important was that there needed to be an agreement to share the technology if your country was lucky enought to have somebody say, “Take me to your leader”.
I saw a Blackbird up close last year in San Diego and was suprised at how small it was.
Did you know that there have been no abductees among the Caesarian-born?
That’s interesting.
Would include me.
I didn’t know that.
Also, no authentic, active, sincere Christians walking closely with Christ.
How much have uniforms changed since then for the higher ranks?
I still think they are holding out the option of one group of ‘ET’s’ playing badcop and another ‘race’ playing goodcop/saviors of planet earth . . .
as one scenario to scare, coerce the world’s masses into the global government.
PRESIDENT REAGAN hinted of this 5 times publicly.
What “Iranian ship thing?”
I was referencing the Somali pirates who boarded an Iranian vessel which was headed to the Suez. Reports had it that they went through the ship's cargo only to find several ISO containers with locked seals. The Captain had been overwhelmed and gave them access to everything on board, but didn't have keys or codes to open the sealed containers. Reportedly, the pirates used their weapons or explosives to open the container/s from the side, only to find they contained sand. Reportedly, the ship and crew began to exhibit signs of skin burns, nausea, hair loss, and were all dead within 16 days. The reported symptoms were indicative of either radiological , biological or chemical waste being within the containers. Some have conjectured the ship was destined to being used as a dirty bomb, destined for the Med by the Suez to sit off the coast of Israel, be detonated as a dirty bomb, causing massive casualties in Israel. There were a handful of reports before and after the Somali pirating of another ship with some 33 T-72 tanks onboard, asking 25 million in ransom,...latewr dropping to 5 mil, later not being heard of again other than reports of a ship with 16 dead personnel aboard with symptoms consistent with radiation poisoning. Considering the stealth of any news reporting after the initial pirating, IMHO, the incident probably is more significant than many suspect. 1st rule of thumb in covert intel is to never trust what is reported, and the 2nd rule of thumb is to grow suspicious of that which is never reported.
PLEASE READ COMPLETE ARTICLE AT THE LINK BELOW:
From:
http://www.subversiveelement.com/DulceSchneider.html
Deep Underground Military Bases and the Black Budget
A Lecture By Phil Schneider
May 1995
Editor’s Note: Phil Schneider, a very brave man, recently lost his life due to what appeared to be a military-style execution in January 1996. He was found dead in his apartment with piano wire still wrapped around his neck. According to some sources, he had been brutally tortured repeated before being killed. Phil Schneider was an ex-government engineer who was involved in building underground bases. He was one of three people to survive the 1979 fire fight between the large Greys and U.S. intelligence and military forces at Dulce underground base.
In May 1995, Phil Schneider did a lecture on what he had discovered. Seven months later he was tortured and killed by those for whom he had previously worked. This man’s final acts should not go unnoticed...
“It is because of the horrendous structure of the federal government that I feel directly imperiled *not* to tell anybody about this material. How long I will be able to do this is anybody’s guess. However, I would like to mention that this talk is going to be broken up into four main topics. Each of these topics will have some bearing on what you people are involved in, whether you are patriots or not.
“I want you to know that these United States are a beautiful place. I have gone to more than 70 countries, and I cannot remember any country that has the beauty, as well as the magnificence of its people, like these United States.
“To give you an overview of basically what I am, I started off and went through engineering school. Half of my school was in that field, and I built up a reputation for being a geological engineer, as well as a structural engineer with both military and aerospace applications. I have helped build two main bases in the United States that have some significance as far as what is called the New World Order. The first base is the one at Dulce, New Mexico. I was involved in 1979 in a firefight with alien humanoids, and I was one of the survivors. I’m probably the only talking survivor you will ever hear. Two other survivors are under close guard. I am the only one left that knows the detailed files of the entire operation. Sixty-six secret service agents, FBI, Black Berets and the like, died in that firefight. I was there.
“Number one, part of what I am going to tell you is going to be very shocking. Part of what I am going to tell you is probably going to be very unbelievable, though, instead of putting your glasses on, I’m going to ask you to put your “scepticals” on. But please, feel free to do your own homework. I know the Freedom of Information Act isn’t much to go on, but it’s the best we’ve got. The local law library is a good place to look for Congressional Records. So, if one continues to do their homework, then one can be standing vigilant in regard to their country.
Deep Underground Military Bases and the Black Budget:
“I love the country I am living in more than I love my life, but I would not be standing before you now, risking my life, if I did not believe it was so. The first part of this talk is going to concern deep underground military bases and the black budget. The Black Budget is a secretive budget that garners 25% of the gross national product of the United States. The Black Budget currently consumes $1.25 trillion per year. At least this amount is used in black programs, like those concerned with deep underground military bases. Presently, there are 129 deep underground military bases in the United States.
“They have been building these 129 bases day and night, unceasingly, since the early 1940’s. Some of them were built even earlier than that. These bases are basically large cities underground connected by high-speed magneto-leviton trains that have speeds up to Mach 2. Several books have been written about this activity. Al Bielek has my only copy of one of them. Richard Souder, a Ph.D architect*, has risked his life by talking about this. He worked with a number of government agencies on deep underground military bases. In around where you live, in Idaho, there are 11 of them.
*(Richard Souder — not to be confused with Richard Sauder, Ph.D, an underground bases researcher and author of the book, “Underground Bases and Tunnels: What is the Government Trying to Hide?”)
“The average depth of these bases is over a mile, and they again are basically whole cities underground. They all are between 2.66 and 4.25 cubic miles in size. They have laser drilling machines that can drill a tunnel seven miles long in one day. The Black Projects sidestep the authority of Congress, which as we know is illegal. Right now, the New World Order is depending on these bases. If I had known at the time I was working on them that the NWO was involved, I would not have done it. I was lied to rather extensively.
Development of Military Technology, Implied German Interest in Hyperspacial Technology, and More:
“Basically, as far as technology is concerned, for every calendar year that transpires, military technology increases about 44.5 years. This is why it is easy to understand that back in 1943 they were able to create, through the use of vaccum tube technology, a ship that could literally disappear from one place and appear in another place. My father, Otto Oscar Schneider, fought on both sides of the war. He was originally a U-boat captain, and was captured and repatriated in the United States. He was involved with different kinds of concerns, such as the A-bomb, the H-bomb and the Philadelphia Experiment. He invented a high-speed camera that took pictures of the first atomic tests at Bikini Island on July 12, 1946. I have original photographs of that test, and the photos also show UFO’s fleeing the bomb site at a high rate of speed. Bikini Island at the time was infested with them, especially under the water, and the natives had problems with their animals being mutilated. At that time, General MacArthur felt that the next war would be with aliens from other worlds.
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