Straight Talk About The Straight-Talker

The New Media Journal.us ^ | January 23, 2008 | Henry Mark Holzer

[PhilDragoo]

Henry Mark Holzer and Erika Holzer coauthored Aid and Comfort: Jane Fonda in North Vietnam, McFarland & Company, Inc., 2002. I have my copy open to page 195 and I ask you why would John McCain refer to Jane Fonda as a "misguided actress" when she broadcast [prerecorded] from Hanoi 15 Aug 72:

"This is Jane Fonda speaking from Hanoi. Yesterday evening, July 19, I had the opportunity of meeting seven U.S. pilots. Some of them were shot down as long ago as 1968 and some of them had been shot down very recently. they are all in good health. We had a very long talk, a very open and casual talk. We exchanged ideas freely. They asked me to bring back to the American people their sense of disgust of the war and their shame for what they have been asked to do."

Aid and Comfort contains twenty-four (24) pages of such broadcasts by Jane Fonda recorded in Hanoi with the sole intent of providing the enemy with aid and comfort in time of war.

John McCain has damaged freedom of speech in the heart of the Free World in a way Stalin and Mao and Ho only dreamed of doing.

[PhilDragoo]

John McCain: The Manchurian Candidate

[B4Ranch]

Straight talk!

The War Secrets Sen. John McCain Hides

But there was one subject that was off-limits, a subject the Arizona senator almost never brings up and has never been open about -- his long-time opposition to releasing documents and information about American prisoners of war in Vietnam and the missing in action who have still not been accounted for. Since McCain himself, a downed Navy pilot, was a prisoner in Hanoi for 5 1/2 years, his staunch resistance to laying open the POW/MIA records has baffled colleagues and others who have followed his career. Critics say his anti-disclosure campaign, in close cooperation with the Pentagon and the intelligence community, has been successful. Literally thousands of documents that would otherwise have been declassified long ago have been legislated into secrecy.

Also see:

Vietnam Veterans Against John
http://vietnamveteransagainstjohnmccain.com/

[potlatch]

Excellent, outstanding post Phil!!

I am impressed even though I am well aware you are a very good writer!

Kudos and good information.

[lonestar]

IMO, McCain was a victim, not a hero. When did we start calling victims heroes?

I think McCain's body language is very telling. I have NEVER, that I recall, seen his poor wife walking in front of him. She is always behind him and he rarely acknowledges her presence. I think he is extremely sel-fcentered--and has always been.

I would almost vote for Hillary before him because I dislike him almost as much as I dislike her and I don't trust either of them

[PhilDragoo]

This is a most compelling and damning account you've linked us to. Here is just one excerpt:

Confrontation with witness

One such witness was Dolores Apodaca Alfond, chairwoman of the National Alliance of Families, an all-volunteer MIA organization. Her pilot brother, Capt. Victor J. Apodaca, out of the Air Force Academy, was shot down over Dong Hoi, North Vietnam, in the early evening of June 8, 1967. At least one person in the two-man plane survived. Beeper signals from a pilot's distress radio were picked up by overhead helicopters, but the cloud cover was too heavy to go in. Hanoi has recently turned over some bone fragments that are supposed to be Apodaca's. The Pentagon first declared the fragments to be animal bones. But now it is telling the family -- verbally -- that they came from the pilot. But the Pentagon, for unexplained reasons, will not put this in writing, which means Apodaca is still unaccounted for. Also the Pentagon refuses to give Alfond a sample of the fragments so she can have testing done by an independent laboratory.

Alfond's testimony, at a hearing of the POW/MIA committee Nov. 11, 1992, was revealing. She pleaded with the committee not to shut down in two months, as scheduled, because so much of its work was unfinished. Also, she was critical of the committee, and in particular Kerry and McCain, for having "discredited the overhead satellite symbol pictures, arguing there is no way to be sure that the [distress] symbols were made by U.S. POWs." She also criticized them for similarly discounting data from special sensors, shaped like a large spike with an electronic pod and an antenna, that were airdropped to stick in the ground along the Ho Chi Minh trail.

These devices served as motion detectors, picking up passing convoys and other military movements, but they also had rescue capabilities. Specifically, someone on the ground -- a downed airman or a prisoner on a labor detail -- could manually enter data into the sensor pods. Alfond said the data from the sensor spikes, which was regularly gathered by Air Force jets flying overhead, had showed that a person or persons on the ground had manually entered into the sensors -- as U.S. pilots had been trained to do -- "no less than 20 authenticator numbers that corresponded exactly to the classified authenticator numbers of 20 U.S. POWs who were lost in Laos."

Other than the panel's second co-chairman, Sen. Bob Smith, R-N.H., not a single committee member attended this public hearing. But McCain, having been advised of Alfond's testimony, suddenly rushed into the room to confront her. His face angry and his voice very loud, he accused her of making "allegations ... that are patently and totally false and deceptive." Making a fist, he shook his index finger at her and said she had insulted an emissary to Vietnam sent by President Bush. He said she had insulted other MIA families with her remarks. And then he said, through clenched teeth: "And I am sick and tired of you insulting mine and other people's [patriotism] who happen to have different views than yours."

Brought to tears

By this time, tears were running down Alfond's cheeks. She reached into her handbag for a handkerchief. She tried to speak: "The family members have been waiting for years -- years! And now you're shutting down." He kept interrupting her. She tried to say, through tears, that she had issued no insults. He kept talking over her words. He said she was accusing him and others of "some conspiracy without proof, and some cover-up." She said she was merely seeking "some answers. That is what I am asking." He ripped into her for using the word "fiasco." She replied: "The fiasco was the people that stepped out and said we have written the end, the final chapter to Vietnam." "No one said that," he shouted. "No one said what you are saying they said, Ms. Alfond." And then, his face flaming pink, he stalked out of the room, to shouts of disfavor from members of the audience.

This man has his demons--and continues to make them ours. Communism is diabolical--but antithetical to the American Ideal.

McCain has committed a vile act in his burning zeal to destroy the First Amendment--for of course it is the foundation of our liberty.

[rockinqsranch]

Thanks for posting this. I’ve intended to put together my own list of grief, but haven’t had the time to collect all the information much less sit down and organize it all and type it up.

I printed this one out for my wife to take to work where she has ongoing discussions with McCain supporters whom really don’t know any of this. They are confused about her animosity towards McCain the War Hero.

Hopefully they will understand with this information under their noses. Thanks again for the post.

[Doofer]

[B4Ranch]

If you do a Goggle search using this group of words, you’ll get more than you want to read. Maybe add in 1998 and 2001

1999 2000 “POW MIA“ site:www.freerepublic.com

[HuntsvilleTxVeteran]

McCain/Kerry F the POWS/MIAS
McCain/Feingold F free speech
McCain/Kennedy F American Sovereignty
McCain/Gang of 14
McCain/Keating 5
McCain/Terrorist Bill of Rights
McCain/Gun Grabber
McCain/Does not like tax cuts

More?

[PhilDragoo]

Here is a list of links exposing John McCain posted by TigersEye.

[NewRomeTacitus]

I’m for breaking into that mausoleum and propping up what’s left of Theodore Roosevelt at a podium. I’d vote for his remains over the live candidates remaining in the race.

Think about it - his reticence and inertness would probably be the wisest course of action any President took in the last twenty years.

TR/Thompson in ‘08!

[factmart]

I last voted democratic for Jimmy Carter, But if McCain becomes nominee of the party I will vote Democrat because McCain has hurt the conservative movement more than any other Republican. Can you image what liberals ideas would become law if he became president? At least Hillary would have the Republicans in congress fighting her and not making McCain legislation go though which could kill the conservative movement for decades.
I’m a radical conservative but if McCain wins say goodbye to the Conservative movement for decades. Plus the politicians who back that phony would increase.

[nckerr]

Duncan Hunter endorsed Huckabee today!!

[TigersEye]

Thanks, Phil. That is all posted on my profile page now if you want to link to that. I was told to stop “spamming” threads with it.

[MeekOneGOP]

John McCain has damaged freedom of speech in the heart of the Free World in a way Stalin and Mao and Ho only dreamed of doing.

Absolutely! McCain will NOT do this country any good. McCain is the ONLY one on the GOP list of candidates that is NOT on MY long list to support.

The MEDIA loves his sorry arse, dang them !!

I was so very sorry to hear of Fred Thompson's pullout but hold out great hope for a Romney-Thompson ticket !!!

[TigersEye]

ping to more on McCain.

[MeekOneGOP]

Duncan Hunter endorsed Huckabee today!!

What the ... ???

Well... puke !!

[potlatch]

 

 

[MeekOneGOP]

Perfect !!

Excellent graphics facts, my dear !! Thanks!