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Nothing "fair" about the "fair tax"
Leland Tribune ^ | 1/21/2008 | Elaine Mejia

Posted on 01/22/2008 3:43:13 AM PST by xcamel

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To: RangerM
My thoughts exactly

I'll stop posting that graphic when the anti's stop posting lies. Based on past history, I expect I'll get plenty more chances to post it.

81 posted on 01/22/2008 5:46:14 AM PST by Turbopilot (iumop ap!sdn w,I 'aw dlaH)
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To: xcamel

1) Same old pissin’ match about “inclusive vs exclusive rate” instead of “the government should or should not tax INCOME, the measure of what you provide to the economy”.

2) Class warfare about “the rich not paying as high of a percentage of their income as the poor”.

3) Concerns about the pre-bate. Seriously, it’s NOT THAT HARD TO UNDERSTAND!


82 posted on 01/22/2008 5:47:01 AM PST by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: Daveinyork

Keep it up dave, but aim at the kleptocratic FTers and quote liberally (so to speak).


83 posted on 01/22/2008 5:47:44 AM PST by Paladin2 (Huma for co-president!)
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To: Turbopilot

I used it in another thread, but mine didn’t have the ** in it.

Guess it was acceptable.


84 posted on 01/22/2008 5:47:52 AM PST by RangerM (Jesus was likely a very good carpenter.)
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To: steve8714

Ah, the ol’ “market competition never lowers prices” argument.

No, the seller isn’t a fool, and if he can sell his product for $98 and still make a profit while his competition tries to sell it for $100, he won’t do that, now, would he? He’d maybe miss out on that 2 bucks per sale, even if he increased his sales by 50%. That wouldn’t be smart, would it?

Then his competition, knowing that he COULD sell it for $77 and still make the same profit, wouldn’t lower HIS price to $96, etc...

Is this what you’re arguing?


85 posted on 01/22/2008 5:50:44 AM PST by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: sergeantdave

Oh, I think the socialist revealed herself PLENTY when she made the class warfare argument about “percentage of income paid in taxes”.


86 posted on 01/22/2008 5:51:58 AM PST by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: Turbopilot
This is the correct graphic for pro-FT spam on FR...

87 posted on 01/22/2008 5:53:13 AM PST by xcamel (FDT/2008)
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To: Emperor Palpatine

True. A tax like the fair tax would at least be legitimate under the Constitution; unlike the current gamey contraption we call the “IRS”.


88 posted on 01/22/2008 5:54:52 AM PST by So Circumstanced
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To: raybbr
How will we stop a rise in the rate?

How will we stop an immigration amnesty bill?

Under the current system, there are a LOT of people who think they're GETTING MONEY FROM THE GOVERNMENT when they get their tax refund. This is because of the "pay upfront in stealth" withholding.

If you want to keep the current system, I propose we DEMAND that withholding cease, and that tax day be moved to October 31st - right before election time, you write one big check to the fedgov.

89 posted on 01/22/2008 5:55:17 AM PST by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: raybbr

Sales tax now is NOT charged on items intended for resale.


90 posted on 01/22/2008 5:56:48 AM PST by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: RangerM
Those on public assistance should lose their right to vote.

An economist at the University of Missouri came up with a plan whereby anyone making over a certain amount of money got more votes. Will never happen, but it's a fun idea.

91 posted on 01/22/2008 5:58:21 AM PST by the808bass
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To: raybbr

uh... dude... do you think businesses pay taxes now, or do they collect them from the

customer in higher prices
employee in lower wages
stock holders in lower dividends

Yes, the CONSUMER IS FOOTING THE ENTIRE BILL for the fedgov.

Read Boortz’ book and come back to argue from a point of knowledge instead of ignorance. That’s not an insult.


92 posted on 01/22/2008 5:58:53 AM PST by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: the808bass

A simpler plan would be that only those that are tax PAYERS instead of receivers get to vote.

Bring your photo ID and your tax statement to the poll.


93 posted on 01/22/2008 6:01:22 AM PST by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: Misplaced Texan
"The agencies in the states that currently collect sales tax from "all the zillions of little businessess" would collect the tax."

What about the states that don't have a ST?

Tax is theft.

FT is a tax.

FT is theft

94 posted on 01/22/2008 6:03:51 AM PST by Paladin2 (Huma for co-president!)
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To: MrB; raybbr
There is no dispute over the fact that "the consumer foots the bill"
the dispute is the big lie promoted by the FT hucksters over just how big that bill is..."

Try < 5%

95 posted on 01/22/2008 6:05:55 AM PST by xcamel (FDT/2008)
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To: MrB
"Sales tax now is NOT charged on items intended for resale"

I PROMISE to have my executor resell all my stuff.

96 posted on 01/22/2008 6:06:26 AM PST by Paladin2 (Huma for co-president!)
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To: xcamel

OOOOHHHHH that’s heavy duty! Tandem axles can carry quite of bit of that stuff.


97 posted on 01/22/2008 6:08:39 AM PST by Paladin2 (Huma for co-president!)
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To: PubliusMM

PubliusMM: “The FT is deserving of closer examination, and represents, IMO, the only viable alternative to the current model yet presented.”

Fair enough (pun intended). I never meant to imply the Fair Tax is a VAT. It’s similar in some ways, but it’s not a VAT.

I’m not a Fair Tax opponent. I just don’t see how it will ever happen. Like you’ve stated, it’s an obvious tax that strikes at the heart of our politicians’ power. That’s why I think it’s a pipe dream. Pipe dreams aren’t necessarily a bad thing so long as one realizes they are just that...pure fantasy. It wouldn’t break my heart to see the income tax abolished at some point, but I’m not going to hold my breath.


98 posted on 01/22/2008 6:09:51 AM PST by CitizenUSA
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To: MrB

No, we’re arguing that the price of Diesel is unlikely to decline at all (inclusive of course).


99 posted on 01/22/2008 6:10:45 AM PST by Paladin2 (Huma for co-president!)
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To: Man50D

You wrote “This article loses all credibility with this statement. Fair Tax opposer’s are deliberately leaving out one very important fact. The Fair Tax ill eliminate the hidden/embedded 23% Corporate income taxes and associated compliance costs known as the inclusive rate. The $100 item will then cost $77 and the $23(100*.23) will be the tax rate applied externally to the $77 as the tax exclusive rate of 30%. Consequently the price will remain at $100.”

That is why I am opposed to this plan, the outright DECEPTION that is being employed.

“Consequently the price will remain at $100.” That is BALDERDASH.

For every dollar I get back from Income Tax Witholding, FICA witholdings AND the the money I save on reduced cost of products due to corporate taxes coming out, I MUST PAY THE SAME AMOUNT IN SALES TAXES BECAUSE BY DEFINITION, THIS IS REVENUE NEUTRAL!!!

Stop the deception.


100 posted on 01/22/2008 6:11:25 AM PST by Bryan24 (When in doubt, move to the right..........)
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