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Waiting for Reagan You fight an election with the politicians you have.
http://weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/014/607onvmn.asp ^ | William Kristol

Posted on 01/20/2008 11:39:10 AM PST by newbie2008

Conservative editorialists, radio hosts, and bloggers are unhappy. They don't like the Republican presidential field, and many of them have been heaping opprobrium on the various GOP candidates with astonishing vigor.

For example: John McCain--with a lifetime American Conservative Union rating of 82.3--is allegedly in no way a conservative. And, though the most favorably viewed of all the candidates right now, both among Republicans and the electorate as a whole, he would allegedly destroy the Republican party if nominated.

Or take Mike Huckabee. He was a well-regarded and successful governor of Arkansas, reelected twice, the second time with 40 percent of the black vote. He's come from an asterisk to second in the national GOP polls with no money and no establishment support. Yet he is supposedly a buffoon and political naïf. He's been staunchly pro-life and pro-gun and is consistently supported by the most conservative primary voters--but he is, we're told, no conservative either.

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TOPICS: Editorial; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2008; elections; fredthompson; giuliani; gop; huckabee; kristol; mccain; reagan; reaganites; romney; ronaldreagan
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To: cripplecreek
I'm still hoping for a brokered convention, which would favor Fred as a consensus candidate. I would also vote for Mitt if he's the nominee.

Assuming that doesn't happen and we get stuck with McPain or the Dope from Hope, do you think your man Duncan could be persuaded to make an independent run?

21 posted on 01/20/2008 12:05:30 PM PST by lesser_satan (READ MY LIPS: NO NEW RINOS | FRED THOMPSON - DUNCAN HUNTER '08)
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To: newbie2008

Keep holding your nose and voting for RINO’s until there are no other choices.


22 posted on 01/20/2008 12:06:36 PM PST by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: lesser_satan

I think independent runs are political suicide for most politicians. I could live with a Thompson presidency and possibly a Romney presidency but I really think a Hunter VP is what it would take to get either man over the top.


23 posted on 01/20/2008 12:09:48 PM PST by cripplecreek (Duncan Hunter, Conservative excellence in action.)
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To: texican01

Politically correct is what’s wrong with Bill Kristol and his ilk...


24 posted on 01/20/2008 12:10:23 PM PST by xtinct (I was the next door neighbor kid's imaginary friend.)
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To: lesser_satan
Assuming that doesn't happen and we get stuck with McPain or the Dope from Hope, do you think your man Duncan could be persuaded to make an independent run?

What would be the purpose of that? They could say Hunter got X% of votes or that McAmnesty got X% fewer votes than the Dem because so many Conservatives avoided the election altogether. Either way the result would be the same and Hunter would save the time and money needed to lose in order to make a point.

25 posted on 01/20/2008 12:13:03 PM PST by Oshkalaboomboom
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To: kittymyrib

I’ll still write in Duncan Hunter. Screw the rest of those clowns, jokers and RINOs. We’ll die the death of a thousand cuts should any of them be elected. I’d actually rather have a clearly defined enemy to fight against than a RINO poser.


26 posted on 01/20/2008 12:19:22 PM PST by Noumenon (The only thing that prevents liberals from loading us all into cattle cars is the power to do it)
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To: newbie2008

“Geez! Not this neocon crap again!”


27 posted on 01/20/2008 12:22:53 PM PST by Josh Painter (First, the GOP became a big tent. As a result, it became Democrat Lite.)
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To: Maelstorm
It is Kristol and his cohorts that have given us no choice but these horribly flawed candidates.

How is this news to any freeper that has been here for more than a month?

Remember McClintock?

28 posted on 01/20/2008 12:23:02 PM PST by itsahoot (Gingrich: "We don't have a peace process. We have a surrender process." (Duncan Hunter gets it.))
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To: newbie2008

With the lousy choice in politicians we have this year, conservatives are being forced to take a knife to a gun fight against an opponent notorious for fighting dirty.

It’s going to be an electoral college blood-letting come November.


29 posted on 01/20/2008 12:23:47 PM PST by Buckeye Battle Cry (Life is too short to go through it clenched of sphincter and void of humor - it's okay to laugh.)
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To: newbie2008

Nice. Bill Kristol doesn’t even mention Fred Thompson. Fair and balanced my arse!


30 posted on 01/20/2008 12:31:11 PM PST by Reagan Man (FUHGETTABOUTIT Rudy....... Conservatives don't vote for liberals!)
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To: xtinct

I love this quote, although I’ve no idea where I got it:
“Political Correctness” is a doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical, liberal minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.


31 posted on 01/20/2008 12:35:35 PM PST by awakened (Remember -- There are no dead atheists.)
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To: newbie2008

I am getting a little tired of elevating pres Reagan to this super star status by ALL republicans.

To be sure, Reagan was the best president since I arrived in this great country in 1960. But just as a reality check can I list a few things I did not like?

During Reagan’s 8 years-—

> Spending Tripled
> Illegal immigrants were granted full amnesty
> appointed pro-choice people to SCOTUS such as Sandra O’Connor
> 8 Million+ abortions took place (based on Laura Ingrahams figures quoted on her show of 40 million abortions in 35 years)

Now inspite of above, why I think Reagan was the best,
> Engineered collapse of Soviet Union
> Huge Tax cuts
> Misery index dropped precipitously, incl interest rates
> Iran released American hostages almost immediately
> Taught Kaddafi a lesson
> Most of all, American presitige in world grew!


32 posted on 01/20/2008 12:37:04 PM PST by ajay_kumar (United we win, divided democrats win. How difficult is that to understand?)
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To: ajay_kumar; All

Reading FR day after day, and listening to the candidates night after night, I’m beginning to think in religious terms of “The Father, the Son, the Holy Ghost, and Ronald Reagan.” He was a great president and I loved him as did all (most?) Republicans. But he is not running for President. He is dead. He is gone. We have GOT to deal with what we have now for better or worse. Constant comparisons are making all the candidates pale, and thus we weaken as a unity. If we are so divided because no one measures up (except possibly Thompson who didn’t have enough gumption to jump in on time to fight for his own very correct principles) then the Dems win. And THAT would be a disaster. At some point we have to look forward realistically with what we’ve got.


33 posted on 01/20/2008 12:47:25 PM PST by awakened (Remember -- There are no dead atheists.)
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To: newbie2008

I do not take advice from the open borders crowd or NY Times columnists, or ANYONE listed as conservative on FNC.


34 posted on 01/20/2008 12:51:14 PM PST by Biblebelter
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To: awakened

excellent... lmao


35 posted on 01/20/2008 12:57:45 PM PST by xtinct (I was the next door neighbor kid's imaginary friend.)
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To: cripplecreek
I think independent runs are political suicide for most politicians. I could live with a Thompson presidency and possibly a Romney presidency but I really think a Hunter VP is what it would take to get either man over the top.

IMHO, Thompson/Romney would be the ticket with the best chance of success. Romney has cash and organization, and if he really does want to be a conservative could use the office of VP to prove it. What would Mr. Hunter offer Mr. Thompson or Mr. Romney?

36 posted on 01/20/2008 1:17:37 PM PST by supercat (Sony delenda est.)
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To: kingu

I will watch from the sidelines. No more Bob Doles. How pathetic.


37 posted on 01/20/2008 1:21:53 PM PST by gathersnomoss (General George Patton had it right.)
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To: G.Mason
I'll be voting Fred Thompson, thank you very much.

And should by chance he not be on the ballot on the 29th, I will write him in.


Same here!
38 posted on 01/20/2008 1:23:16 PM PST by SoConPubbie
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To: awakened
(except possibly Thompson who didn’t have enough gumption to jump in on time to fight for his own very correct principles)

You lost me right there!

Fred got in when he should have gotten in.

The rest of the crowd, especially Rudy and Mitt, got in a year early to create what they hoped would be inevitability.

It has not worked for either of them.

Rudy is toast and Mitt has negative ratings at 50%.

Both turn off the base.

Neither is electable!
39 posted on 01/20/2008 1:26:10 PM PST by SoConPubbie
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To: newbie2008

Ain’t gonna happen. If I vote for the GOP, since conservatism was my reason to vote for a GOP candidate, if I cannot have that, I am voting for the best looking GOP candidate.

Go Romney!


40 posted on 01/20/2008 1:27:03 PM PST by dforest (Since principles no longer matter in the GOP, I am voting for the best looking!)
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