[Toddsterpatriot]

Then there’s those trading the options to buy on a certain date on a cerain price. These guys make the most of the money nowadays

Option traders as a group do not make money. Is that clear enough for you?

[Rummenigge]

only that it means nothing if you are discussing the theory of weather or not the market for innovative financial products (nice name - it speaks to you) derivatives is driving the costs of the underlying goods or whatever is underlying.

And my sinister plan was to start a discussion on that.