Posted on 01/17/2008 10:27:05 AM PST by neverdem
I picked that entry because it is short and sweet. But who knows, it may quickly become long and sour once the evos over at Wikipedia discover their entry is being used to challenge Darwinism :o)
What’s funny is that Wiley Coyote goes around trying to convince everyone that Creation and ID science is a secret conspiracy to impose a theocracy on this country. But then he also goes around equating those who challenge Darwinism as those who believe in little green men, crop circles, the Loch Ness Monster, BigFoot, Atlantian mermaids, etc. Putting aside for a moment that his first claim is laughable, he still hasn’t even realized that these two distinct groups of people do not go together.
Nice little system. Edit wiki and then use it to support yourself.
How convenient.
And yes, DNA elements that are not transcribed do have a function separate from the genetic code. Their specific sequence is bound by specific proteins (coded for by different DNA)that will then....
-initiate transcription or inhibit transcription of a nearby or downstream Open Reading Frame (gene).
-bind up the DNA around a histone.
-acetylate or deacetylate histones to get them on or off the DNA.
-methylate the DNA to increase the binding of histones
-etc, etc
As I have been saying, ad nauseum, this does not constitute a ‘code’ in the same sense in that it is information that can be translated. This is all regulatory function, determining if/when the sequence in the Open Reading Frame will be read or not. As I said before, if phosphorylation of RNA polymerase constitutes a ‘code’ then ALL this regulatory stuff constitutes a ‘code’ in the same sense. You are not embracing that argument that it is all a ‘code’. I am merely pointing out that it is not a ‘translatable code’ there is no ‘key’ to this ‘code’ and it is therefore not a ‘code’ in the same sense as the (mostly) Universal Genetic Code.
“you are now embracing that argument that it is all a code”
......shaking my head.......
So what controls all the epigenetic functions of a cell? It certainly isn’t the “Universal Code.” And if these sophisticated functions are not the product of a code, what are they the product of?’
PS When I say code, I am including the notion of a language that can be understood. Are you?
The code is used to make all the proteins that carry out the epigenetic program, as well as every other function of the cell. Epigenetics is based upon the pattern of methylation your father and mother imprinted upon your genome. All this pattern of methylation DOES is recruit histones to discourage transcription of nearby open reading frames (genes). It is like a lock on a door. It isn’t a note on the door telling you to come in and heat up your dinner that is in the fridge.
Histones are proteins coded for by the univeral code.
Methylation of specific DNA sequences is done by DNA methylases, proteins coded for by the universal code.
Modifications of histones is done by proteins coded for by DNA using the universal code.
==Please explain to me how ‘epigenetics’ shakes the Universal Code to its core?
I meant it is shaking the religious importance neo-Darwinists place on random mutation (of the so-called Canonical or Universal Code) as a materialist explanation for the diversity of all life on earth.
What does that have to do with my proposition that when Creationists present an either/or proposition, that either the Bible is true or evolution is true, that it will surely lead to some believers rejecting their faith entirely?
Why are some (but by no means all) Christians so determined to destroy the science of biology by attacking evolution? Is there a point to the endeavor?
If God can do what He will, then He could have easily created evolution. To deny that is to deny the infinite power of God. You are left with a disagreement over Bible interpretation in Genesis I. Bible interpretation fights have occurred within Christianity since the Bible was assembled several hundred years after Christ. Doctrine fights have resulted in hundreds of different "Christian" denominations, none of which can agree on the meaning of the Word of God.
I think Christians should work out their differences between the various interpretations held by different denominations, and then perhaps worry with attacking biology.
Oh, about your fruit fly story. That was almost a century ago. Do you think research confirming evolution ended there? Contradictory findings pop up in science all the time, so pointing out research from long ago that counters recent findings is pretty meaningless.
And that relates in what way to my point that an either/or presentation to young people, where either the Bible is true, or evolution is true, will lead at least some of them to reject their faith?
There is a lot more going on than that. But to answer your question, I would most certainly interpret your body language as saying you don’t want me to go through that door. My next question would be “WHY DOESN’T HE WANT ME TO GO THROUGH THAT DOOR?” The very same kinds of questions should also apply to biology, and, indeed, science in general. Much of science consists (whether Darwinists are willing to admit it or not) of the reverse engineering of purposeful designs originally created by God.
You left out the fact that this includes the “acquired characteristics” your father and mother imprinted on your genome.
==If God can do what He will, then He could have easily created evolution.
Very true. But he could also have created ex nihilo. The Bible says He created ex nihilo. Thus, the scientific method should be used to find out if the physical evidence supports the Bible’s claims re: origins and cosmological history.
==Epigenetics is based upon methylation and histones.
Histones are proteins coded for by the univeral code....Methylation of specific DNA sequences is done by DNA methylases, proteins coded for by the universal code....Modifications of histones is done by proteins coded for by DNA using the universal code.
All very true. But what causes methylation and histone modifications once the methylases and histones are made?
Did you know that there are many scientists that are saying that the “epigenetic code” is in many ways more important than what you call the “Universal Code.” Personally, I think they are both crucial. But it is starting to look like the genetic code simply makes the basic building blocks that the epigenetic “code” then takes and fashions into living life forms.
If they reject creation ex nihilo as found in the Bible, then they are far more likely to reject the rest of the gospel message, including the resurrection. Perhaps you should be asking this question of the Evos who say if evolution is true, then the Bible can't be true???
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