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Republicans ponder deadlocked convention
The Albany Times-Union ^ | January 16, 2008 | Charles Babington

Posted on 01/16/2008 7:38:34 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

WASHINGTON -- The Republican presidential race is so unsettled that some party officials are openly talking of a scenario that seemed almost unthinkable until now: the first contested GOP convention in 60 years.

Even if Republicans choose a nominee before they convene in Minneapolis-St. Paul on Sept. 1, there's a good possibility he will emerge weeks or even months after the Democratic nominee is chosen, giving Democrats an advantage in fundraising, organizing and campaigning. Congressional Republicans particularly wanted an early nominee to draw voters' attention from President Bush, whose low approval ratings could hurt the entire party in the fall.

Bush's former top political aide, Karl Rove, told Republican officials Wednesday that major challenges await "the moment our candidate secures the nomination." As if they needed reminding, Rove told those at the Republican National Committee's winter meeting, "the primaries are far from over."

Democrats also face the possibility of a long and costly battle involving Sens. Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York and Barack Obama of Illinois and former Sen. John Edwards. But officials attending the RNC meeting said Democrats seem likely to make their choice before a clear winner emerges from the pack of four or five still-credible GOP contenders.

"The way it looks now, it could end up in the convention," Ron Schmidt, South Dakota's Republican National Committeeman, said of the party's nominating process. "It's fascinating if you're a political junkie."

In the major contests so far-- Iowa, New Hampshire and Michigan -- three different Republicans have finished first. If former Tennessee Sen. Fred Thompson scores the win he hopes for in South Carolina on Saturday, he would be the fourth first-place finisher. Likewise, former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani could be the fifth winner in the five contests if he proves wise in picking Florida's Jan. 29 primary as his first big stand.

Politicians had long assumed the Feb. 5 "Super Tuesday" primary, involving California, New York and 22 other states, would resolve any doubts about either party's nominee. Democrats feel slightly less certain about that now, and Republicans are even more doubtful.

The GOP process could go "right up to the point that we don't have a clear candidate with enough electoral votes to win" the nomination when the conventions start, said Herbert Schoenbohm, Republican Party chairman for the Virgin Islands. That would be fine with Schoenbohm, who said he is "tired of the coronations and staged events" of recent conventions.

But a deadlocked convention could be a nightmare for the party. The Republicans' last multi-ballot convention was in 1948, when New York Gov. Thomas Dewey prevailed on the third ballot. He lost the general election to Democrat Harry S. Truman.

The last contested Democratic convention was in 1952, when Illinois Gov. Adlai Stevenson won on the third ballot. He later lost two elections to Republican Dwight D. Eisenhower.

Contested conventions have never been kind to their eventual nominees, said G. Terry Madonna, who has studied them as a public affairs professor and pollster at Franklin and Marshall College in Pennsylvania. A deadlocked convention in either party remains unlikely, he said in an interview Wednesday, but it is more possible for Republicans.

Both parties' nominating rules have changed so dramatically since the 1950s, Madonna said, that guidelines for resolving such an impasse are far from clear. "This is something we've never had," he said.

Most convention delegates now are loyal to a given candidate, not to the party itself, he said. The Byzantine rules governing delegates' powers and obligations are nearly incomprehensible, he said. But in the end, it might not matter much.

A deadlocked nominating process would be obvious when most primaries end by early May, Madonna said, four months before the party conventions take place. Then "there will be wheeling and dealing" among the candidates and their surrogates, he said, with possible deals including a vice presidential spot for a contender willing to step aside and resolve the question.

On Wednesday, several Republican officials said a protracted primary season might add excitement to a party that typically settles on a nominee early.

That's not the tune they were humming last summer, however, when they began worrying about potential losses at the congressional and state levels. When a likely GOP nominee emerges by early February or so, Republicans will "not have the Bush monkey on our back," Rep. Tom Feeney, R-Fla., said at the time.

Rove told party officials Wednesday that the eventual GOP presidential nominee has "four big things to do" when the intraparty battle ends. The first, he said, is to "introduce themself to the American people," who pay far less attention to campaigns than most political aficionados realize.

It was a splash of cold-water reality for party activists who don't know who their standard-bearer will be, nor when he will be chosen.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Extended News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Florida; US: Iowa; US: Michigan; US: Minnesota; US: New Hampshire; US: South Carolina
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1 posted on 01/16/2008 7:38:34 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It could be exciting?


2 posted on 01/16/2008 7:39:16 PM PST by CaptainK (...please make it stop. Shake a can of pennies at it.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Lots of possible scenarios, but more than likely someone will lock it up after super Tuesday.


3 posted on 01/16/2008 7:41:08 PM PST by tips up
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Talk to me after Super Tuesday. This is very premature.

Why no speculation about the Democrats? Hillary doesn’t exactly look secure.


4 posted on 01/16/2008 7:41:55 PM PST by CASchack
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Likewise, former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani could be the fifth winner in the five contests if he proves wise in picking Florida's Jan. 29 primary as his first big stand.

Has Rudy broken through 10% in any of the states so far?

Why does the media keep talking about him like he's a contender? The public has concluded that he's a joke.

5 posted on 01/16/2008 7:42:16 PM PST by tear gas (Because of the 22nd Amendment, we are losing President. Bush. Can we afford to lose him now?)
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To: CaptainK

In the event of a brokered convention, G.W.B. will ask his brother Jeb Bush to be the Republican nominee.

Jeb is a very strong candidate, and would win against the Dems.


6 posted on 01/16/2008 7:42:47 PM PST by barryg
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

This whole thing is a nightmare. Fred, our only hope, is looking like a slender reed. And once he’s gone, then what?


7 posted on 01/16/2008 7:43:20 PM PST by samtheman
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To: CaptainK

It could also suck.I dont put it past our party to really screw things up these days.


8 posted on 01/16/2008 7:43:33 PM PST by HANG THE EXPENSE (Defeat liberalism, its the right thing to do for America.)
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To: tear gas

he’s still on top in Florida . . and Florida is more important than South Carolina, Iowa, and New Hampshire combined.


9 posted on 01/16/2008 7:43:51 PM PST by barryg
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

it would be exciting,I would bet the demwits have a deadlocked convention before the Republicans


10 posted on 01/16/2008 7:44:08 PM PST by coalman
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
If it is deadlocked, the convention won't remain deadlocked for long.

After all, it's St. Paul.

And who will want to spend an extra night there?

11 posted on 01/16/2008 7:44:24 PM PST by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance on Parade)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

>> ...draw voters’ attention from President Bush, whose low approval ratings...

That’s pretty funny, considering that President Bush’s approval ratings are about twice as high as Congress, from where all three major Democrat candidates (Clinton, Obama, and (!)McCain) hail.


12 posted on 01/16/2008 7:45:12 PM PST by Nervous Tick (Retire Ron Paul! Support Chris Peden (www.chrispeden.org))
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Best thing that could happen, IMHO. We need a free-for-all to determine the future of the Republican party. Will we continue to believe in American sovereignty, the Constitution, Federalism, and capitalism, or will we turn into a Democrat-Lite party? This is a fight we need to have. If the latter wins out, I have no further use for the Republican party.


13 posted on 01/16/2008 7:45:22 PM PST by lesser_satan (READ MY LIPS: NO NEW RINOS | FRED THOMPSON - DUNCAN HUNTER '08)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
weeks or even months after the Democratic nominee is chosen, giving Democrats an advantage in fundraising, organizing and campaigning.

Or, giving Republicans extra time to destroy the dem candidate while they come up with an actual conservative ticket on the last day of the convention.

I can dream, can't I?

14 posted on 01/16/2008 7:45:31 PM PST by Larry Lucido (Hunter 2008)
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To: barryg
I think another Bush candidate would be an election disaster waiting to happen.

The MSM would be relentless.

15 posted on 01/16/2008 7:45:31 PM PST by CaptainK (...please make it stop. Shake a can of pennies at it.)
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To: barryg

No thanks. We don’t need any more political dynasties.


16 posted on 01/16/2008 7:46:01 PM PST by lesser_satan (READ MY LIPS: NO NEW RINOS | FRED THOMPSON - DUNCAN HUNTER '08)
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To: barryg

“Jeb is a very strong candidate, and would win against the Dems.’

NO MORE BUSHES!


17 posted on 01/16/2008 7:46:10 PM PST by diverteach (http://foolishpleasurestudio.com/eyewool/slap_hillary.html)
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To: okie01
If it is deadlocked, the convention won't remain deadlocked for long. After all, it's St. Paul. And who will want to spend an extra night there?

+1

18 posted on 01/16/2008 7:48:51 PM PST by southernnorthcarolina (May contain traces of tree nuts.)
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To: lesser_satan
Will we continue to believe in American sovereignty, the Constitution, Federalism, and capitalism, or will we turn into a Democrat-Lite party?

The GOP has been incrementally turning Democrat light for years.
19 posted on 01/16/2008 7:48:55 PM PST by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it! Duncan Hunter is a Cosponsor.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Believe I have made the comment many times. The nomination won't be decided until at or just before the convention and Fred Dalton Thompson will hopefully be well positioned to be "the Man"!

That is where I have been putting my energy and money.

FRED DALTON THOMPSON FOR AMERICA!

20 posted on 01/16/2008 7:49:02 PM PST by ImpBill ("America ... Where are you now?" --Greg Adams--Brownsville, TX --On the other Front Line)
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