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If this is a justification for Christians to indulge homosexual deviancy, then you may as well apply it to all sexual perversions, including beastiality.

Of course, now you must define "perversion"...I'm sure some would include anything other than missionary... others would allow spouses to pleasure each other in various ways.

Where that line gets drawn is an age-old question that cannot be so easily dismissed.

Two of the standard pro-gay criticisms of the traditional understanding of Romans 1:24-28 are:

1) The acts mentioned are a perversion of loving same-sex relationships, much like heterosexual perversions.
2) 'Unnatural relations' are simply those acts which violate one's own sexual orientation or natural proclivities.

Do any questions come to mind? The first "correction" suggests that homosexual behavior is basically the same as heterosexual behavior at its purest level--in the context of a committed relationship. While it could be that those aforementioned acts resulted from idol worship and pagan practices--many of the mystery cults did engage in "sacred" sexual rites involving homosexuality and/or prostitution, whether as a vessel for the deity or otherwise--I think the cart has been put before the horse here.

Is Paul referring to specific pagan cultic practices or a general tendency towards paganism on the part of those who "suppress the truth," have "foolish hearts," and give in to "sinful desires?"

I’ve said all I care to say about this subject lest it turn smutty.

Like Dr. James Dobson said when he was on the pornography commission
... “Pornography is hard to define, but you sure know it when you see it”.

‘Nuff said!

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Gondring: The Bible is clear about what sexual perversion is. However
God leaves hetero married sex without a lot of comment. Unless you are a
drunk monkey, even the animals know and practice normal sexual behavior.
We MUST leave our notions that humans are animals before we decline of
decay like Rome.

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One more thing...

It is my observation that predatory homosexual behavior has nothing to
do with same gender attraction. It is a sexual addiction driven by the
convenience of “access” and should be treated like any other addiction.

It is my observation that predatory homosexual behavior has nothing to do with same gender attraction.

So you're making a distinction between the two, Jo? There may be some overlapping, but I think your general point is right, i.e., choosing whether or not to act on what St. Paul referred to as "sinful lusts." The late Dr. Francis Schaeffer, in at least one of his many letters, spoke of a need for understanding the difference between homosexual acts and homosexual attraction.

Jo, you can do this without turning the dialogue into a smutty ditch. At least I think you can do it! ;)

Predatory homosexual behavior is really an escalated
sexual addiction different from homosexual attraction,
related based on my earlier comment that homosexuals
create homosexuals. In some twisted sense a species
does produce after its own kind remains consistent / sarc.

What is appallingly sad to me is that it has to be
explained. There was a time when civilized people
knew what was decent and what wasn’t. Now we must
embrace the very thing that is destroying us in fear
of being “outed” as intolerant. Well, I am proud to
say I am INTOLERANT.

Our precious children see the sex act the same way
they see the need to eat or pee or sleep or breathe.
It is a type of impure innocense. Now there’s an
oxymoron.

I believe we have cultivated sexual deviants because
sex sells. It’s everywhere - leaving our young men
vulnerable and frustrated? Add to that frigid, mean,
verbally abusive, arrogant females who find it
entertaining to taunt men by dressing like “bait”.
Should a man take the bait, he may find himself
publicly humiliated, accused of harrassment and
perhaps even punished. All because he behaved like
a man is wired to behave. If that wouldn’t drive
a man to jump off a cliff, it surely could drive
him to seek comfort in the arms of another man.

It’s just sick and frustrating and wrong. Come quickly
Lord Jesus - your people are perishing.

Thank you for bringing a smile.

"My sheep know my voice and I hear them and they follow me."

One more thing before I get back to Romans:

The Bible is clear about what sexual perversion is. However God leaves hetero married sex without a lot of comment. Unless you are a drunk monkey, even the animals know and practice normal sexual behavior. We MUST leave our notions that humans are animals before we decline of decay like Rome.

The original question had to do with the seemingly subjective nature of the term 'perversion.' What is considered by some to be perversion may be quite normal to others--statutory sodomy laws, for example.

In the case of the Gay Christian movement, we're discussing terms within--I presume--a biblical context, where God, creation, salvation, etc., are accepted a priori.

The discussion should then focus upon what constitutes a real perversion, from a biblical standpoint, considering the nature of God, his will for humanity, what constitutes sin versus libertarian freedom, and so on.

Just my three cents, adjusting for inflation and taxes.

Unless you are a drunk monkey, even the animals know and practice normal sexual behavior. We MUST leave our notions that humans are animals before we decline of decay like Rome.

Normal?

I believe we have cultivated sexual deviants because sex sells. It’s everywhere - leaving our young men vulnerable and frustrated? Add to that frigid, mean, verbally abusive, arrogant females who find it entertaining to taunt men by dressing like “bait”. Should a man take the bait, he may find himself publicly humiliated, accused of harrassment and perhaps even punished. All because he behaved like a man is wired to behave.

Very true.

I recall when I was young being taunted by a woman that I didn't understand women, simply because when she said, "no" I took her to mean "no."

Later in life, I learned that many women simply want to act without taking responsibility themselves.

If that wouldn’t drive a man to jump off a cliff, it surely could drive him to seek comfort in the arms of another man.

Glad I've not had the urge to choose the latter over the former.

Ever hear of “The Uh Oh Feeling”? Our children
recognized it as a warning from God to protect them
from people with inapproriate intentions toward them.

Having to define sexual perversion is like having to
explain the uh oh feeling.

On the other hand, having to explain God is a lot like
having to point out the sun. (Ray Comfort)

Be advised Mr Veazey (he is no reverend):

“Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!” Isaiah 5:20

What is appallingly sad to me is that it has to be explained. There was a time when civilized people knew what was decent and what wasn’t. Now we must embrace the very thing that is destroying us in fear of being “outed” as intolerant. Well, I am proud to say I am INTOLERANT.

Social engineering, go figure.

Our precious children see the sex act the same way they see the need to eat or pee or sleep or breathe. It is a type of impure innocense. Now there’s an oxymoron. I believe we have cultivated sexual deviants because sex sells. It’s everywhere - leaving our young men vulnerable and frustrated? Add to that frigid, mean, verbally abusive, arrogant females who find it entertaining to taunt men by dressing like “bait”. Should a man take the bait, he may find himself publicly humiliated, accused of harrassment and perhaps even punished. All because he behaved like a man is wired to behave. If that wouldn’t drive a man to jump off a cliff, it surely could drive him to seek comfort in the arms of another man.

You'll find no better ally than me on this subject, Jo. We are culturally schizophrenic, but much worse when it comes to sexuality. So-called feminism has borne its bitter fruit; men are confused, women are equally confused. The 'b' word is considered a non-offensive compliment among young women, and a frequently used insult amongst young men. Feminists of the 1970s hated the term, but what's to stop the outworking of their logic and/or philosophical presuppositions?

Women have become so "liberated" as to conform to the old pre-feminist ideas regarding females. Men are both increasingly effeminate and like their brutish female counterparts.

If you're the least bit skeptical, watch a couple of Axe commercials. I realize that while that doesn't speak to our culture as a whole, there is a very real market for it. One could simply write it off as "just commercials, just a book, just a film," and so on, but I think that's a tragic underestimation of the power of advertising and entertainment media, the way it affects people, and what it says about us.

Ever hear of “The Uh Oh Feeling”? Our children recognized it as a warning from God to protect them from people with inapproriate intentions toward them.

And that is well and good, but one who does have homosexual thoughts and/or homosexual attraction is perverted in their mind and heart only as a heterosexual adulterer or pedophile is, i.e., it's all sin.

I think we're square dancing around the same general principle. The problem is that I haven't been able to Do-Si-Do you yet. ;)

Do-si-do? LOL!

Out here in the blogosphere it’s more
like right and left grand alamand!

We are destroying every lofty view against
the knowledge of God. Taking captive
EVERY THOUGHT in obedience to Christ
the Lord! (2Corinthians 10:5)

“The Decline and Fall of the Animal Kingdon”.

So it’s true. We ARE behaving like animals.

Taking captive EVERY THOUGHT in obedience to Christ the Lord! (2Corinthians 10:5)

A simple promenade would do. You selected a great passage, as it describes the Christian worldview in elegant simplicity.

Say, where IS the Free Republic Square Dance Forum?

The political similarities are as plentiful as petticoats.

Or maybe not so much.

The political similarities are as plentiful as petticoats.

I've heard that there is a Petticoat Junction, but no one seems to know where it is these days.

I have heard, but cannot validate, that some zoos and
wildlife preserves administer passification enhancers like
salt peter and female hormones to control aggression.
This may account for the confused behaviors documented by NG.

This may account for the confused behaviors documented by NG.

Comparing animals to humans, I'd say we're going to the dogs. To quote that famous modern philosopher, Forrest Gump, "That's all I have to say about that."

I may have confused my above quote with a reference to Lieutenant Dan and ice cream, but I'll stick by the original quotation.