Posted on 01/16/2008 11:58:21 AM PST by bahblahbah
On Sunday morning - amid intensified crossfire between Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton and Obama over the use of race in the Democratic presidential campaign - Wright was preaching from the Gospel of John, using his powerful style to link the story of the loaves and fishes to a contemporary political message
Some argue that blacks should vote for Clinton because her husband was good to us, he continued.
Thats not true, he thundered. He did the same thing to us that he did to Monica Lewinsky.
Many in the crowd were on their feet, applauding - amazed, amused and moved by the fiery rhetoric of their preacher, who is about to retire.
(Excerpt) Read more at baltimoresun.com ...
http://sweetness-light.com/archive/obamas-spiritual-mentor-brings-up-monica
Sounds like a gift, that keeps on giving, to Hillary Rotten.
They show the services from this church on one of the local TV channels here. I’ve watched it a couple of times and, as far as style and content is concerned, this guy is terrible. Politics aside. Politically he’s just as bad, and his crude remark about Monica Lewinski is par for the course. I must be missing something, because “powerhouse” and “inspiring” are not words I would associate with this man and his preaching.
The first time I tuned in, I did so out of curiosity. You don’t see the UCC doing a lot of televangelism. This church is the left-wing kookism you’d expect from the UCC, filtered through Afro-centrism.
Trinity United Church of Christ
http://www.tucc.org/home.htm
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We are a congregation which is Unashamedly Black and Unapologetically Christian... Our roots in the Black religious experience and tradition are deep, lasting and permanent. We are an African people, and remain "true to our native land," the mother continent, the cradle of civilization. God has superintended our pilgrimage through the days of slavery, the days of segregation, and the long night of racism. It is God who gives us the strength and courage to continuously address injustice as a people, and as a congregation. We constantly affirm our trust in God through cultural expression of a Black worship service and ministries which address the Black Community. The Pastor as well as the membership of Trinity United Church of Christ is committed to a 10-point Vision: 1. A congregation committed to ADORATION. 2. A congregation preaching SALVATION. 3. A congregation actively seeking RECONCILIATION. 4. A congregation with a non-negotiable COMMITMENT TO AFRICA. 5. A congregation committed to BIBLICAL EDUCATION. 6. A congregation committed to CULTURAL EDUCATION. 7. A congregation committed to the HISTORICAL EDUCATION OF AFRICAN PEOPLE IN DIASPORA. 8. A congregation committed to LIBERATION. 9. A congregation committed to RESTORATION. 10. A congregation working towards ECONOMIC PARITY. Click here to read about Dr. Wrights talking points for Trinity United Church of Christ its Web site and the Black Value System. |
THE BLACK VALUE SYSTEM |
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Trinity United Church of Christ adopted the Black Value System, written by the Manford Byrd Recognition Committee, chaired by the late Vallmer Jordan in 1981. Dr. Manford Byrd, our brother in Christ, withstood the ravage of being denied his earned ascension to the number one position in the Chicago School System. His dedication to the pursuit of excellence, despite systematic denials, has inspired the congregation of Trinity United Church of Christ. Prayerfully, we have called upon the wisdom of all past generations of suffering Blacks for guidance in fashioning an instrument of Black self-determination, the Black Value System. Beginning in 1982, an annual Black Value System Educational Scholarship in the name of Dr. Byrd was instituted. The first recipient of the Dr. Manford Byrd Award, which is given annually to the man or woman who best exemplifies the Black Value System, was our brother, Dr. Manford Byrd. These Black Ethics must be taught and exemplified in homes, churches, nurseries and schools, wherever Blacks are gathered. They consist of the following concepts: 1. Commitment to God. The God of our weary years will give us the strength to give up prayerful passivism and become Black Christian Activists, soldiers for Black freedom and the dignity of all humankind. 2. Commitment to the Black Community. The highest level of achievement for any Black person must be a contribution of strength and continuity of the Black Community. 3. Commitment to the Black Family. The Black family circle must generate strength, stability and love, despite the uncertainty of externals, because these characteristics are required if the developing person is to withstand warping by our racist competitive society. 4. Dedication to the Pursuit of Education. We must forswear anti-intellectualism. Continued survival demands that each Black person be developed to the utmost of his/her mental potential despite the inadequacies of the formal education process. Real education fosters understanding of ourselves as well as every aspect of our environment. Also, it develops within us the ability to fashion concepts and tools for better utilization of our resources, and more effective solutions to our problems. Since the majority of Blacks have been denied such learning, Black Education must include elements that produce high school graduates with marketable skills, a trade or qualifications for apprenticeships, or proper preparation for college. 5. Dedication to the Pursuit of Excellence. To the extent that we individually reach for, even strain for excellence, we increase, geometrically, the value and resourcefulness of the Black Community. We must recognize the relativity of ones best; this years best can be bettered next year. Such is the language of growth and development. We must seek to excel in every endeavor. 6. Adherence to the Black Work Ethic. It is becoming harder to find qualified people to work in Chicago. Whether this is true or not, it represents one of the many reasons given by businesses and industries for deserting the Chicago area. We must realize that a location with good facilities, adequate transportation and a reputation for producing skilled workers will attract industry. We are in competition with other cities, states and nations for jobs. High productivity must be a goal of the Black workforce. 7. Commitment to Self-Discipline and Self-Respect. To accomplish anything worthwhile requires self-discipline. We must be a community of self-disciplined persons if we are to actualize and utilize our own human resources, instead of perpetually submitting to exploitation by others. Self-discipline, coupled with a respect for self, will enable each of us to be an instrument of Black Progress and a model for Black Youth. 8. Disavowal of the Pursuit of Middleclassness. Classic methodology on control of captives teaches that captors must be able to identify the talented tenth of those subjugated, especially those who show promise of providing the kind of leadership that might threaten the captors control. 1. Killing them off directly, and/or fostering a social system that encourages them to kill off one another. 2. Placing them in concentration camps, and/or structuring an economic environment that induces captive youth to fill the jails and prisons. 3. Seducing them into a socioeconomic class system which, while training them to earn more dollars, hypnotizes them into believing they are better than others and teaches them to think in terms of we and they instead of us. 4. So, while it is permissible to chase middleclassness with all our might, we must avoid the third separation method the psychological entrapment of Black middleclassness. If we avoid this snare, we will also diminish our voluntary contributions to methods A and B. And more importantly, Black people no longer will be deprived of their birthright: the leadership, resourcefulness and example of their own talented persons. 9. Pledge to Make the Fruits of All Developing and Acquired Skills Available to the Black Community. 10. Pledge to Allocate Regularly, a Portion of Personal Resources for Strengthening and Supporting Black Institutions. 11. Pledge Allegiance to All Black Leadership Who Espouse and Embrace the Black Value System. 12. Personal Commitment to Embracement of the Black Value System. To measure the worth and validity of all activity in terms of positive contributions to the general welfare of the Black Community and the Advancement of Black People towards freedom |
Talking Points
Dr. Wrights talking points (3.1.7) for Trinity United Church of Christ its Web site and the Black Value System (in response to Erik Rushs comments (2.28.07) on the Hannity and Colmes show):
One of the biggest gaps in knowledge that causes the kind of ignorance that you hear spouted by this man [Erik Rush] and those like him, has to do with the fact that these persons are completely ignorant when it comes to the Black religious tradition. The vision statement of Trinity United Church of Christ is based upon the systematized liberation theology that started in 1969 with the publication of Dr. James Cones book, Black Power and Black Theology.
Black theology is one of the many theologies in the Americas that became popular during the liberation theology movement. They include Hispanic theology, Native American theology, Asian theology and Womanist theology.
I use the word systematized because Black liberation theology was in existence long before Dr. Cones book. It originates in the days of the Trans-Atlantic slave trade. It was systematized and published by theologians, Old Testament scholars, New Testament scholars, ethicists, church historians, and historians of religion such as Dr. James Cone, Dr. Cain Hope Felder, Dr. Gayraud Wilmore, Dr. Jacqueline Grant, Dr. Kelley Brown Douglas, Dr. Renita Weems, Dr. Katie Cannon, Dr. Dwight Hopkins, Dr. Linda Thomas, and Dr. Randall Bailey.
These scholars, who write in various disciplines, also include seminary presidents like Dr. John Kinney and professors of Hebrew Bible, like Dr. Jerome Ross. Black liberation theology defines Africans and African Americans as subjects not the objects which colonizers and oppressors have consistently defined others as.
We [African Americans] were always seen as objects. When we started defining ourselves, it scared those who try to control others by naming them and defining them for them; Oppressors do not like others defining themselves.
To have a church whose theological perspective starts from the vantage point of Black liberation theology being its center, is not to say that African or African American people are superior to any one else.
African-centered thought, unlike Eurocentrism, does not assume superiority and look at everyone else as being inferior.
There is more than one center from which to view the world. In the words of Dr. Janice Hale, Difference does not mean deficience. It is from this vantage point that Black liberation theology speaks.
Systematized Black liberation theology is 40 years old. Scholars of African and African American religious history show that Black liberation theology, however, has been in existence for 400 years. It is found in the songs, the sermons, the testimonies and the oral literature of Africans throughout the Diaspora.
At least Obama has a spiritual leader. You may not agree with everything he says and that’s fine. If you don’t agree with everything that the Clintons say, you could disappear someday. There’s hardly a spiritual leader around that will agree with the Clintons actions over the years.
People are starting to understand just what Obama represents. He is a black nationalist , fascist liberal.
Try telling that to Oprah Winfry.
The truth :
Oprah knows, she belongs to the same Church. Small world.
Rarely mentioned, but his first "national campaign" was a primary challenge to Congressman Bobby Rush, founder of the Illinois Black Panthers.
You notice that in all the ravings about the “purpose and teachings” of this “church”, you see NOT ONE WORD about the LORD JESUS CHRIST.
Another group of barefoot shoe salesmen.
Some argue that blacks should vote for Clinton “because her husband was good to us,” he continued.
“That’s not true,” he thundered. “He did the same thing to us that he did to Monica Lewinsky.”
LOL.
Did you just wake up? That's all she's known for: blow jobs and a cigar in the butt.
sort a like al sharpton, without the charm?
Thanks george76.
OMG, you are baaaaad. Too hilarious!
;’)
Do you expect your clergyman to bring that up, or express himself in that manner, in a sermon? In nearly fifty years of churchgoing, I’ve never heard a minister have to resort to taking the low road in order to make a point. It wasn’t even clever. And it wasn’t brought up just to deal with the president’s own moral problems, but to illustrate, “what he did to Monica Lewinski he’s doing to us.”
It’s not a good analogy anyway, and not one the good reverend would want to own up to, unless he wants to admit that his “us”, like Monica Lewinski, were willing participants.
Oh, I see. I thought you were referring to the nature of FReepers’ comments here instead of the preachers’.
How do these black churches get away with being so political? Why can Democrats go speak at their church services, and the IRS stays silent? Where are all the separation of church and state ranters?
That's a very good question. Dems may not want to go after supporters, Reps may not want to create controversy, but the IRS should be apolitical.
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