Posted on 01/16/2008 6:40:17 AM PST by mnehring
Not in the modern Birch style Libertarian mold, more of the classic objectivist mold.
I hear Paul finances.
For the record, I wasn't calling you names. I just posted that "Aw, Jeez, not this ____ again" graphic. The dude that posted this thread is a major cause of deja vu in my life. I feel like the movie "Groundhog Day" sometimes on this forum, and Ehrling is my Sonny and Cher.
Is Paul doing better or worse than you initially expected him to do when he first announced?
What's interesting is you make a choice to keep coming back. Maybe you should grab a mirror if that deja vu feeling keeps popping up.
“Is Paul doing better or worse than you initially expected him to do when he first announced?”
Perhaps a little less than I expected. I take his run as a way to determine the percentage of tinfoil hat people in society. It’s actually refreshing to see the numbers less than the internet would make you believe.
You know as well as I do that FR is like crack. Habits are tough to break.
Notwithstanding the fact that this might have been true, you can't write something like this in this day and age. Has anyone checked on the veracity of the comment?
If you need to chase someone off the PC plantation John Derbyshire defends Paul at an unmentionable web site. Maybe you can chase Derbyshire off of NR and purify the ideology.
Muslim newspaper endorses Ron Paul in Michigan
The Muslim Observer endorsed Congressman Ron Paul in the Michigan Republican primary.
Tuesday, January 15, 2008
http://www.speroforum.com/site/artic...ul+in+Michigan
I’ll let Paul chase people off the PC plantation, he is the one who called the thoughts ‘small minded’ and apparently, his campaign is chasing Rockwell off. I’m just posting news.
So, which is it? I have yet to hear anything from a Paul supporter that shows how he could possibly be clean in this dirty mess.
NO NO! I didn’t say ANYONE in this thread :) You misunderstood. (I had someone jump me in another thread, about Ron Paul, who called me a moron among other things - so I called him a dumbass. Both of the posts got pulled).
Long time ago I used to enforce a “no cussing” rule - I gave up though, and I figured it this way. if someone is offended by bad language, tough $h!+ hehe. :) I get offended at people who get offended all the time now. lol
Truth is, I can handle my own fights. If someone wants to throw down with this old man, go ahead, and I’ll kick his or her ass all over the street. I’m a little Irish you know. Then, I’ll buy him/her a drink after
But in this day and age everyone wants to sue someone or cry to a moderator. Yes, I do turn in my share of “abuse” posts on this site because, if I don’t then people get away with petty crap they shouldn’t.
So... no, I didn’t think you called me anything :)
Rockwell explained the thrust of the idea in a 1990 Liberty essay entitled "The Case for Paleo-Libertarianism." To Rockwell, the LP was a "party of the stoned," a halfway house for libertines that had to be "de-loused." To grow, the movement had to embrace older conservative values. "State-enforced segregation," Rockwell wrote, "was wrong, but so is State-enforced integration. State-enforced segregation was not wrong because separateness is wrong, however. Wishing to associate with members of one's own race, nationality, religion, class, sex, or even political party is a natural and normal human impulse."The most detailed description of the strategy came in an essay Rothbard wrote for the January 1992 Rothbard-Rockwell Report, titled "Right-Wing Populism: A Strategy for the Paleo Movement." Lamenting that mainstream intellectuals and opinion leaders were too invested in the status quo to be brought around to a libertarian view, Rothbard pointed to David Duke and Joseph McCarthy as models for an "Outreach to the Rednecks," which would fashion a broad libertarian/paleoconservative coalition by targeting the disaffected working and middle classes. (Duke, a former Klansman, was discussed in strikingly similar terms in a 1990 Ron Paul Political Report.) These groups could be mobilized to oppose an expansive state, Rothbard posited, by exposing an "unholy alliance of 'corporate liberal' Big Business and media elites, who, through big government, have privileged and caused to rise up a parasitic Underclass, who, among them all, are looting and oppressing the bulk of the middle and working classes in America."
Anyone with doubts about the composition of the "parasitic Underclass" could look to the regular "PC Watch" feature of the Report, in which Rockwell compiled tale after tale of thuggish black men terrifying petite white and Asian women. (Think Birth of a Nation crossed with News of the Weird.) The list of PC outrages in the February 1993 issue, for example, cited a Washington Post column on films that feature "plenty of interracial sex, and nobody noticing," a news article about black members of the Southern Methodist University marching band "engaged in mass shoplifting while in Japan," and a sob story about a Korean shop-owner who shot a black shoplifter and assailant in the head: "The travesty is that Mrs. Du got five years probation, and must cancel a trip to Korea."
The populist outreach program centered on tax reduction, abolition of welfare, elimination of "the entire 'civil rights' structure, which tramples on the property rights of every American," and a police crackdown on "street criminals." "Cops must be unleashed," Rothbard wrote, "and allowed to administer instant punishment, subject of course to liability when they are in error." While they're at it, they should "clear the streets of bums and vagrants. Where will they go? Who cares?" To seal the deal with social conservatives, Rothbard urged a federalist compromise in their direction on "pornography, prostitution, or abortion." And because grassroots organizing is "plodding and boring," this new paleo coalition would need to be kick-started by "high-level, preferably presidential, political campaigns."
The presidential campaign Rothbard and Rockwell supported in 1988 was Ron Paul's run on the Libertarian Party ticket. In 1992, they were again ready to back Paul, until Pat Buchanan convinced the obstetrician to withdraw and back his conservative challenge to then-president Bush. "We have a dream," Rockwell wrote in that same January 1992 edition of RRR, "and perhaps someday it will come to pass. (Hell, if 'Dr.' King can have a dream, why can't we?) Our dream is that, one day, we Buchananites can present Mr. and Mrs. America, and all the liberal and conservative and centrist elites, with a dramatic choice....We can say: 'Look, gang: you have a choice, it's either Pat Buchanan or David Duke.'"
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But perhaps the best refutation of the old approach is not the absence of race-baiting rhetoric from its progenitors, but the success of the 2008 Ron Paul phenomenon. The man who was once the Great Paleolibertarian Hope has built a broad base of enthusiastic supporters without resorting to venomous rhetoric or coded racism. He has stuck stubbornly to the issues of sound money, "humble foreign policy," and shrinking the state. He wraps up his speeches with a three-part paean to individualism: "I don't want to run your life," "I don't want to run the economy," and "I don't want to run the world." He talks about the disproportionate effect of the drug war on African-Americans, and appeared at a September 2007 Republican debate on black issues that was boycotted by the then-frontrunners. All this and more have brought him $30 million-plus from more than 100,000 donors; thousands of campaign volunteers, and the largest rallies he's ever spoken to, including a crowd of almost 5,000 in Philadelphia.
Basicly the same conclusion folks like Paul Fromm, Don Black, Willis Carto, Kevin Alfred Strom and John Tyndall came to when they signed the New Orleans Protocol four years ago in the name of European American unity. Lay off the overt racism when recruiting, bring them in on other issues. It's a plan!
The New Orleans ProtocolOn Saturday, May 29, 2004, leaders of groups from three countries struck a historical agreement about future conduct in the post-September 11 era. The protocol was the initiative of former Louisiana State representative David Duke.
The protocol pledges adherents to a pan-European outlook, recognizing national and ethnic allegiance, but stressing the value of all European peoples. The three provisions of the protocols are:
Zero tolerance for violence.
Honourable and ethical behaviour in relations with other signatory groups. This includes not attacking or denouncing others who have signed this protocol. In other words, no enemies on the right.
Maintaining a high tone in our arguments and public presentations.
The founding endorsers of the New Orleans Protocol are EURO and the David Duke Report (David Duke), Stormfront (Don Black), the American Free Press (Willis Carto), the Truth at Last (Dr. Ed Fields), the National Alliance (Kevin Alfred Strom), the British National Party [England] (John Tyndall) and the Canadian Association for Free Expression [Canada] (Paul Fromm)
“So, which is it? I have yet to hear anything from a Paul supporter that shows how he could possibly be clean in this dirty mess.”
I’ve asked the same question many times and on multiple forum and all I ever get back is “it’s old news”. That is so lame that even a Democrat wouldn’t get by with that kind of non-response. The guy is one or more of the following; liar, racist, conspiracy theory nut, and/or total incompetent. His cult needs to admit which he is and realize that any of the choices makes him unqualified to be POTUS.
The whole thing is a mess, and I feel sincerely bad for many of his supporters because there don’t seem to be any good answers forthcoming.
I think a lot of Mr. Paul’s followers and supporters feel disconnected from the process and this doesn’t help. I really would like to see GOP leadership take a long, hard look at itself and try to figure out why Mr. Paul has drawn the support he has from people who would probably otherwise support Republicans.
I don’t know if they will do that, however, which is part of the problem.
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