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HUCK, THE CONSTITUTION AND 'GOD'S STANDARDS'
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| January 15, 2008
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Posted on 01/15/2008 4:59:40 PM PST by america4vr
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To: jwalsh07
CORRECTION: I made my comments in haste and thanks to those who've pointed it out to me
(emphatically does NOT include jwalsh07) for realize that my words were very poorly chosen, not well-expressed at all. :-)
Au contrare, my erudite, scholarly, expressively impressive,oh-so-well-mannered fellow FReeper;it is you whose character is of the most stratospheric of benchmarks.
For it takes the inspired character you manifest to recognize another.
cacophonous. Well you seemed to be making an excessive amount of Sturm und Drang. :-)
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posted on
01/15/2008 7:00:22 PM PST
by
america4vr
(The ebb and flow of empires have come and gone but America shall forever reign supreme.)
To: jwalsh07
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.
Since we're talking about the Constitution, it would probably make more sense for you to actually quote the Constitution rather than the Declaration of Independence. The two documents had two very different purposes, and the Founders were wise enough to keep religion out of the establishment of our nation's actual governing principles.
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posted on
01/15/2008 7:04:38 PM PST
by
drjimmy
To: tacticalogic
I dont find one in this case with the proposition that these decisions cannot be left to the States.A rational position though one I don't share.
Regards,
John
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posted on
01/15/2008 7:05:53 PM PST
by
jwalsh07
To: rintense
I could not have said it better!!
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posted on
01/15/2008 7:07:32 PM PST
by
bethtopaz
(Romney/Thompson 2008!)
To: drjimmy
Since we're talking about the Constitution, it would probably make more sense for you to actually quote the Constitution rather than the Declaration of Independence.Funny, I don't remember talking to you at all. Tactologic understood perfectly. That you don't is a pity but I can live with that.
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posted on
01/15/2008 7:11:20 PM PST
by
jwalsh07
To: america4vr
Huckabee often refers to the need to amend the constitution on these grounds, but he has never so specifically called for the Constitution to be brought within "God's standards," which are themselves debated amongst religious scholars. As a closing statement he asked the room of nearly 500 supporters to "pray and then work hard, and in that order," to help him secure a victory in Tuesday's GOP primary. I'd love to see Huckabee defend his 30% consumption (sales) tax as "within God's standards"...
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posted on
01/15/2008 8:54:27 PM PST
by
Alex Murphy
("Therefore the prudent keep silent at that time, for it is an evil time." - Amos 5:13)
To: jwalsh07
Funny, I don't remember talking to you at all. Tactologic understood perfectly. That you don't is a pity but I can live with that.
Funny, I read your post on a forum of which I am a member, not a private conversation between you and someone else. If ignorance is bliss, I'm sure you live quite happily.
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posted on
01/15/2008 9:15:23 PM PST
by
drjimmy
To: america4vr
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posted on
01/15/2008 9:21:01 PM PST
by
dragonblustar
(Once abolish the God, and the government becomes the God - G. K. Chesterton)
To: drjimmy
Try reading the totality of the posts. If you have trouble with reading comprehension, get back to me and I’ll explain what escapes you in very simple language. I’m a compassionate conservative.
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posted on
01/15/2008 9:31:44 PM PST
by
jwalsh07
To: Soliton
He would never have had the opportunity to move Arkansas in a Republican direction if he had stuck to purely conservative positions. He has commited to doing so as POTUS.So, he couldn't do it in Arkansas...but he'll do it for the US of A. Sounds good. I'm changing my vote to Huckabee.
To: the invisib1e hand
I think this guy is Hillarys big plant designed to make Christians look really, really bad.It sure seems that way.
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posted on
01/16/2008 4:14:21 AM PST
by
syriacus
(HUCKIAVELLIAN : (adj.) hypocritical; slick; glib; charming and, yet, sneakily nasty.)
To: jwalsh07
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posted on
01/16/2008 4:24:58 AM PST
by
syriacus
(HUCKIAVELLIAN : (adj.) hypocritical; slick; glib; charming and, yet, sneakily nasty.)
To: conservatism_IS_compassion
Conservative is when you restrict yourself to amending the Constitution by constitutional means . . . rather than by simply declaring that the Constitution means whatever you find convenient.What does that mean? There is a constitutional process for amendments. Its not conservative or liberal It is the only way to do it and that's what Huck meant. This theocracy argument proves what I have said all along; casual Christians fear committed Christians
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posted on
01/16/2008 4:30:56 AM PST
by
Soliton
(Casual Christians fear Committed Christians)
To: camerakid400
The liberals love (Huckabee's talk that God wants the Constitution changed) stuff. The left wing blogs can use his comments out of context to imply conservatives want a theocracy.In Huckabee's case, the liberals would be right.
As a practicing devout church-going Baptist who is apalled at the awful US culture, I am scared senseless that the GOP will nominate this "Christian-first" candidate like Huckabee.
It is one thing to be a political leader (like GWB) who is an American first yet remains proud and supportive of Christian faith and values.
Huckabee is running for office as a way to PROMOTE and show off his Christianity to the rest of the nation and the world.
There is a big difference.
Jewish Republicans and secular conservatives are rightly scared of Huckabee. (Michael Medved not withstanding)
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posted on
01/16/2008 4:42:25 AM PST
by
Edit35
To: america4vr
A constitutional amendment cannot be unconstitutional. Once adopted, it’ part of the Constitution.
That said, I support the principle of separation of church and state — and I’m more than a little leery when a politician proposes to write “God’s standards,” as he defines them, into the law.
To: syriacus
Now, that is downright clever. A well deserved cacophony of applause!
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posted on
01/16/2008 5:03:50 AM PST
by
america4vr
(The ebb and flow of empires have come and gone but America shall forever reign supreme.)
To: america4vr
cacophony 1656, from Gk. kakophonia, from kakophonos "harsh sounding," from kakos "bad, evil" + phone "voice" (see fame). Kako- was a common prefix in Gk., and has often crossed over into Eng., e.g. cacography, the opposite of calligraphy (q.v.). Etymologists connect it with PIE *kakka- "to defecate."
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posted on
01/16/2008 5:30:58 AM PST
by
syriacus
(HUCKIAVELLIAN : (adj.) hypocritical; slick; glib; charming and, yet, sneakily nasty.)
To: syriacus
Well, I do owe you a sincere apology. I had always thought the word to mean a
loud noise, thunderous sound. So then, please allow me to rephrase my comment.
Now that is downright clever. A well deserved chorus of thunderous applause!
and thank you for the etymological lesson.
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posted on
01/16/2008 5:45:24 AM PST
by
america4vr
(The ebb and flow of empires have come and gone but America shall forever reign supreme.)
To: Soliton
This theocracy argument proves what I have said all along; casual Christians fear committed ChristiansLet's tease this out a bit. Do committed Christians vote for Huckabee and casual Christians do otherwise? Speak plain.
To: the808bass
Casual Christians believe in Christ, but are uncomfortable with public displays of faith. They go to church every once in a while, particularly at Christmas and Easter. They don’t read the Bible by choice, and they certainly don’t believe it is literally true. If asked if they are a member of particular denomination, they say yes, but they only follow the doctrines they like and justify it.
Committed Christians not only have faith, but they try to live faith. They believe that living their faith is right even when they fall short sometimes. They go to church as often as humanly possible because they love going. They belong to a denomination (confession) and follow the doctrine or feel really guilty. They believe that prayer works. Most of all, they are comfortable praising God in public and aren’t upset when someone else does.
Commited Christians creep Casual Christians out. They think that they are either faking it, or they are stupid hillbillies. They fear that the Committed Christians are nutty enough to actually let faith affect politics.
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posted on
01/16/2008 6:10:55 AM PST
by
Soliton
(Casual Christians fear Committed Christians)
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