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National Review Online ^
| January 15, 2008
| Roy Spencer
Posted on 01/15/2008 8:45:11 AM PST by neverdem
The science of global-warming theory can be difficult to grasp. Different scientists offer different views on the subject, which understandably leads to confusion in the minds of the public. We scientists also get confused on the subject.
But even though I am a climate scientist, you might be surprised that there is one subject which I consider to be more misunderstood in the global-warming debate than the science itself. And that is the economics of what to do about global warming.
I am astounded by the naiveté of those folks who seem to think there is some magic, non-polluting energy source out there that “Big Oil” has been hiding from us until all of the petroleum runs out. As these reality deniers continue to drive cars and fly in airplanes, they deny the fact that mankind’s dependence on oil is not out of choice, but necessity.
It makes me cringe when I see bloggers and pundits say things like, “What’s the downside of reducing greenhouse-gas emissions? Even if we’re wrong about man-made global warming, we’ll end up with better energy technologies and cleaner air. And if we’re right, we’ll save the planet!”
The only problem is, no matter how serious you think global warming will be, our current renewable-energy technologies and conservation will make virtually no difference to future global temperatures.
These efforts might make us feel better about ourselves, but don’t expect them to come anywhere close to solving the problem.
The energy demand by humanity is simply too large — and it is growing rapidly in developing countries like India and China. Electricity in the United States is supplied by the equivalent of 1,000 one-gigawatt power plants. It would be a major feat, both politically and monetarily, to replace 50 of those 1,000 power plants with solar and wind generation facilities.
Then, once we have patted ourselves on the back over that accomplishment, we could start working on replacing the other 95 percent of our electricity needs.
And now the space-based solar power crowd has returned. These “experts” point to the increase in efficiency that could be achieved by putting solar collectors in Earth’s orbit and beaming the energy down to the ground.
And indeed you probably could get several times the amount of energy from a solar collector in space versus on the ground. Too bad it would be insanely expensive.
You might have heard of the problems NASA has had with relatively tiny solar collectors attached to the Space Station and Space Telescope. Now imagine putting a one-square mile collector in space. Even if we could get such a thing designed, built, launched, and working, it would replace only 1 of the 1,000 one-gigawatt plants I mentioned earlier that the U.S. alone needs.
The truth is, if you want to get away from petroleum and coal, we need radically new energy technologies. A massive and immediate program to start building nuclear reactors would help some, but this is unlikely to occur without a major change in public opinion.
Capturing and storing carbon dioxide during the burning of coal (carbon sequestration) remains very expensive and a technical challenge, but it shows some promise. And since the U.S. has vast coal deposits, making coal work should be a very high priority for our country.
And now we are learning that the competition from biofuel production will make food more expensive, while replacing only a tiny fraction of the liquid fuel that we need. This might not be much of a problem in the U.S., but it can be a very big problem in poor countries like Mexico.
The bottom line is that, when it comes to energy, you can’t get something for nothing. Solar and wind would seem to be “free,” except that the amount of real estate you must cover with windmills and solar collectors to make much of a difference is staggering. They certainly work well in some limited applications, but are nowhere near a large-scale replacement for fossil fuels.
I often wonder: How many of those reality deniers who campaign against fossil fuels would be willing to give up what those fuels have given them? Or, are they simply campaigning to force other people to give them up?
The reality deniers also like to use the insurance analogy. We buy homeowners insurance to guard against losses we can not afford to pay for, right? So, if we conserve energy, use more renewable energy, and buy hybrid cars, this will provide us insurance in case man-made global warming ends up being a serious problem. Or so the analogy goes.
Well, in terms of the insurance analogy, you can go ahead and purchase the insurance if you want, but the policy says that you will only get ten percent of the cost recovered if the house burns down.
“So,” a concerned citizen might ask me, “should we not even try?” Sure, we should try. The question is, What should we try? The farther we go down dead-end roads, using up limited wealth along the way, the more difficult, expensive, and delayed will be the discovery of the correct road.
Most Americans don’t even realize that they are already paying, through their taxes, for billions of dollars in energy-technology research. While this is the only road that will lead to success, there has been virtually no public discourse on it.
Unfortunately, it seems that public opinion is leaning more toward feel-good efforts than toward real solutions. This can be partly blamed on our education system. Math teachers that place more emphasis on how a student feels about a problem than the correct answer, or a biology teacher ranting about the mythical extinction of polar bears, are not conducive to maintaining an informed public.
The entertainment industry is equally to blame. While movie stars are sexy, equations are not so much. Movie producers and writers tug on our heart strings with stories centered on modern technological problems, but their solution to those problems always ends up with a touchy-feely vindication of the environmentally-concerned citizen over the evil corporate polluters. Those of us old enough to remember the 1979 movie “The China Syndrome” know that it had a profound effect on our views of the safety of nuclear power.
But touchy-feely people need energy, too, and I can guarantee you that the solution to any energy problem won’t be in the touchy-feely realm. It will involve real chemistry, real physics, real engineering, real math, and real science.
This whole discussion, of course, assumes that man-made global warming will be a serious problem that needs to be addressed. I’m one of those who believe that our current global warmth is more likely to be mostly due to natural climate variability. But I can not prove this.
But neither can the global-warming alarmists prove that our current warmth is not the result of natural climate variability. Not one published study has ruled out natural causes, such as a slight change in cloud cover from a tiny change in the general circulation of the atmosphere.
Since reasonable people can differ on the subject, I can not fault the alarmists too much. But if we are going to have any hope of finding large-scale alternatives to fossil fuels, it is time for us to stop denying reality. Anything else is a waste of our limited amounts of time and wealth.
— Roy W. Spencer is a principal research scientist at the University of Alabama in Huntsville.
— Roy W. Spencer is principal research scientist at the Global Hydrology and Climate Center of the National Space Science and Technology Center in Huntsville, Ala.
TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: climatechange; convenientfiction; energy; globalwarming; science
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posted on
01/15/2008 8:45:13 AM PST
by
neverdem
To: neverdem
Sane words that should be read every day by every politician. The global warming hysteria involves feeling good. I warn my daughters to beware of do-gooders. Building wind mills and solar panels, driving a Prius, and putting ethanol in your tank will not change the earth’s climate regardless of whether climate change occurs and its cause is human influenced. However all of these feel good efforts will eventually lower our living standard. Perhaps lowering our standard of living is the point.
To: neverdem
Good article. Sort of like Lomborg (sp?) who talks about prioritizing humanity’s needs so that we can make the best use of our limited resources (money). I taught about this in Sunday School last Sunday. The Leftists act as if they are like God, with unlimited resources and brilliant unlimited wisdom. But we must have a realistic view of ourselves. We are limited in both resources and wisdom.
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posted on
01/15/2008 8:56:15 AM PST
by
DeweyCA
To: neverdem
This is such a reasonable article, I wish everyone would read it. He is a believer in GW, but doesn't buy they anthropogenic part of the hysteria:
This whole discussion, of course, assumes that man-made global warming will be a serious problem that needs to be addressed. Im one of those who believe that our current global warmth is more likely to be mostly due to natural climate variability. But I can not prove this.
But neither can the global-warming alarmists prove that our current warmth is not the result of natural climate variability. Not one published study has ruled out natural causes, such as a slight change in cloud cover from a tiny change in the general circulation of the atmosphere.
Thats reasonable I think. He is a skeptic of AGW, but not a denier.
His point about what to do is dead on. I agree that Nuclear is really our only option at this point, but that politically it would be very difficult. Heck, I think we should have a new Manhattan project of building as many Nukes as we could over the next 50 years.
Global Warming Hysteria is nothing more than Apocalism wrapped up in FeelGoodism.
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posted on
01/15/2008 9:03:52 AM PST
by
Paradox
(Politics: The art of convincing the populace that your delusions are superior to others.)
To: businessprofessor
I’ve been saying all along that all we need do is become carbon-free; don’t use anything with carbon in it and bury or encapsulize all carbon-containing substances we discover.
In a single generation not one of us would then even remember the great concerns of today.
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posted on
01/15/2008 9:39:57 AM PST
by
Old Professer
(The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
To: neverdem
Real math and real science say that alternative fuels and a flex fuel engine can put a real dent in the need to import fuel. The flex fuel engine is already available, but what isn’t here yet is the pump at every station delivering the 85/15 mixture.
What isn’t here is the government getting its regulations off the backs of our coal producers who ALREADY can produce METHANOL (which burns in flex fuel engines), and it burns cleanly, and we have a huge supply.
What isn’t here is some politician with the guts to fight those who won’t let us drill for oil, mine for coal, and light up homes with nuke energy.
That’s real science and real math, but it’s not the deniers who are all of the problem. It’s the “just say no” crowd in the nanny state who are causing the biggest problems.
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posted on
01/15/2008 9:57:03 AM PST
by
xzins
(Retired Army Chaplain! True Supporters of Our Troops Support the Necessity of their Sacrifice!)
To: neverdem
The energy debate has gotten so insane that I often find myself arguing with people who are proposing replacng our current sources with purely hypothetical ones.
As in, solar power will cost ten times what we know pay for electricity. Then they say, but new technologies that are just around the corner (meaning they do not yet exist) will be cheaper.
I point out that you can’t replace a real source with a hypothetical one. You can’t even compare them, because one of them doesn’t exist.
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posted on
01/15/2008 10:43:25 AM PST
by
Red Boots
To: neverdem
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posted on
01/15/2008 10:45:15 AM PST
by
VOA
To: neverdem
Sooner or later someone is going to show up at you door.
One of those might be the socialist mind control thought police; the other may be a cold starving who bet wrong on the direction of this global warming craze. I suggest you let neither in.
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posted on
01/15/2008 11:08:00 AM PST
by
Herakles
(Diversity is code word for anti-white racism)
To: Red Boots
You are aware that NanoSolar is already supplying solar power plants with solar cells at 1/10th the old cost, right ? That these power plants can produce electricity at lower cost than a coal plant ?
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posted on
01/15/2008 11:14:11 AM PST
by
Kellis91789
(Liberals aren't atheists. They simply worship government.)
To: neverdem
Well stated. What few think about is coal and oil are concentrated energy accumulated over years. Solar, wind are a poor substitute for concentrated energy sources.
Nuclear power now. Lock up the loonies or deport those that try to stop us. 10% of the population should not be able to grind a nations progress to a halt.
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posted on
01/15/2008 11:29:21 AM PST
by
listenhillary
(A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you have.)
To: Kellis91789
NanoSolar is already supplying solar power plants with solar cells at 1/10th the old cost They have hardly started and have zero impact at this point. Buy stock in this? They will be gone in a decade, odds 100-1.
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posted on
01/15/2008 11:31:51 AM PST
by
RightWhale
(Dean Koonz is good, but my favorite authors are Dun and Bradstreet)
To: Kellis91789
Someone on another forum mentioned that nanosolar is using some very rare items in the manufacturing of their film solar panels.
I didn’t get around to checking it out.
There was also disagreement of their claimed cost per KWH.
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posted on
01/15/2008 11:33:31 AM PST
by
listenhillary
(A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you have.)
To: listenhillary
very rare items materials
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posted on
01/15/2008 11:35:01 AM PST
by
listenhillary
(A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you have.)
To: businessprofessor
The Left’s preferred society resembles feudal Europe more than anything else. They believe that only the Elite, a very small number of superior people- them- should have technology and should not be tied unalterably to an assigned location as must be the commons. At the top should be a Wise King such as JFK or perhaps Obama; or possibly a committee of Wise Technocrats to push the world’s buttons and pull its strings. And of course, the world’s population should be quickly reduced to no more than (insert number between 50 million and 500 million). They think that once technology exists it will not decay but be quite self-perpetuating for the elite with possibly a few genetically engineered technocrats keeping it all running.
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posted on
01/15/2008 11:35:30 AM PST
by
ThanhPhero
(di hanh huong den La Vang)
To: Paradox
Global Warming Hysteria is nothing more than Apocalism wrapped up in FeelGoodismNo, the whole "man-made Global Warming" scam is an attempt by one-world government socialists to gain support and power for one-world socialism. Apocalism is their scare tactic to get converts to take up their cause and FeelGoodism is the emotional reward given to those simple-minded fools who sign on to it.
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posted on
01/15/2008 11:35:56 AM PST
by
RightWingConspirator
(Redefeat Communism by defeating Hitlary in 2008)
To: neverdem
Our vehicles are ridicules.
Why do you need a 2500 lbs. car to transport a 150 human?
We could be using 125cc motorcycles for most of our transportation (to work and home).
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posted on
01/15/2008 11:38:30 AM PST
by
Doe Eyes
To: xzins
The problem is that the Left is NOT interested in a technology or fuels that let the population continue its modern merry technological existence. They are Luddites, pure and simple who desire to go back to some ideal society that existed (it just needed the modern Superior Elite to run it)in the Middle Ages.
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posted on
01/15/2008 11:38:55 AM PST
by
ThanhPhero
(di hanh huong den La Vang)
To: Old Professer
Denying the plants food? You meanie! ;)
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posted on
01/15/2008 11:39:31 AM PST
by
listenhillary
(A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you have.)
To: Doe Eyes
We could be using 125cc motorcycles for most of our transportation (to work and home). Do you?
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posted on
01/15/2008 11:40:36 AM PST
by
listenhillary
(A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you have.)
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