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Public 'threatened' by private-firearms ownership
Los Angeles Times. ^ | January 14, 2008 | WND

Posted on 01/14/2008 5:41:31 AM PST by servantboy777

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To: Dead Corpse

The idea that FReepers are pushing to elect a RINO is sickening to me. It should be sickening to all FReepers.


141 posted on 01/14/2008 1:10:35 PM PST by B4Ranch (( "Freedom is not free, but don't worry the U.S. Marine Corps will pay most of your share." ))
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To: XenaLee
I guess it'll take a helluva lot worse "end results" (see nuke attacks under a DemocRat administration) for you to finally wake up and smell the reality.

Coupla points here.

And by the way, the Administration's brief in Emerson prefigured this posture and foreshadowed a complete turn against gun ownership by the Republican "RiNO" clerisy and their masters.

As for nuclear attacks, well, one would certainly demonstrate the public need for personal gun rights (the example of New Orleans shows that we would be on our own in matters of security), and it would kill one hell of a lot of urban Democrats and RiNO's. Not that that would be desirable, the damage would be fantastic at all recognizable levels and some unrecognizable ones as well. I'm just saying. (Liberals call it "blowback". Well, "blowback" yourself, kiddo.)

142 posted on 01/14/2008 1:18:02 PM PST by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: Dead Corpse
Dead Corpse said: "too bad Ashcroft isn't still the AG"

There is a footnote in Ashcroft's letter, although I wasn't able to find where in the text it was referenced:

"1Of course, the individual rights view of the Second Amendment dos not prohibit Congress from enacting laws restricting firearms ownership for compelling state interests, ..."

"Compelling state interests" is one of the criteria of "strict scrutiny" if I recall correctly. The problem is that ANY scrutiny opens us up to somebody's judgement that a particular weapon is just too darn dangerous; which is exactly what DC says about handguns.

The application of "strict scrutiny", however, goes beyond just making unsupported claims. The state must prove that the law in question touches as lightly as possible on the protected right. In the case of handguns in DC, it's hard to see how background checks on gun owners is not sufficient, though even that is an infringement. Background checks have been in effect for many years and crime rates have not been greatly affected by them, as far as I know. DC can't make a credible claim that non-criminals become criminals simply because they own a gun.

143 posted on 01/14/2008 1:18:23 PM PST by William Tell (RKBA for California (rkba.members.sonic.net) - Volunteer by contacting Dave at rkba@sonic.net)
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To: Dead Corpse
Amazing what holding firm to a Founding Principle can do in regards to other areas a potential POTUS must face. This is why many of us "one issue voters" often use the Second Amendment as an "x-ray" issue to examine a candidate.

Excellent point, and it corroborates your point about the fatal stupidity of "personality" politics.

My mother, rest her soul, imbibed somewhere the idea that one voted the man, not the issues. I saw her point and I also saw that it was fatally flawed, inasmuch as the man hasn't been born, who doesn't have feet of clay. Hell, we're all made 100% of clay. Some of it's just a little stiffer than other bits.

144 posted on 01/14/2008 1:27:19 PM PST by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: yarddog
....the NRA certainly knew it, yet they supported [Bush] strongly.

Over the Gorebot, and his melting glaciers and melting Constitution? Any day.

That said, I wish Bush had given this brief not to the Solicitor General, but to "Call Me Al" to argue before the Court. "Go nuts, Al, really let the Supreme Court know, how much we hate the Second Amendment. Tell them to 'nullify' it."

145 posted on 01/14/2008 1:31:04 PM PST by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: mamelukesabre
Huh? WHat’d I miss? Cheney’s in his grave already?

I make tiny joke :-)

146 posted on 01/14/2008 1:34:34 PM PST by Soliton (McCain/Thompson 2008. Feingold for Secretary of the Treasury!)
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To: RetiredArmy

I hear you. We are currently suffering death by a thousand cuts with the rinos in charge.


147 posted on 01/14/2008 1:35:41 PM PST by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: P8riot

No question.


148 posted on 01/14/2008 1:44:12 PM PST by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: absolootezer0

I like shooting revolvers more than autos, but I find autos a lot easier to clean than revolvers.


149 posted on 01/14/2008 1:45:59 PM PST by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: servantboy777

The Viper strikes.

Well, at least he is consistent. He showed us what he thought about “unrestricted” free speech when he signed McCain - Feingold.


150 posted on 01/14/2008 1:46:39 PM PST by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts and guns made America great.)
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To: servantboy777
Jorge Arbusto is not a Conservative !

He is also not compassionate !


151 posted on 01/14/2008 1:51:33 PM PST by Uri’el-2012 (you shall know that I, YHvH, your Savior, and your Redeemer, am the Elohim of Ya'aqob. Isaiah 60:16)
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To: XenaLee

YOU are missing a “key ingredient here”. We are well down the road to being ruled by socialist tyrants. Rinos are simply getting us there slightly slower than the dems.
Something to think about. Get boiled slowly, and not notice. Or rapidly, in which case you notice, jump out of the pot and kick somebody’s a$$.


152 posted on 01/14/2008 1:52:43 PM PST by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: servantboy777

I hate Bush.


153 posted on 01/14/2008 1:56:05 PM PST by jjm2111 (Sarcasm tags deleted by popular demand)
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To: Scotsman will be Free
"YOU are missing a “key ingredient here”. We are well down the road to being ruled by socialist tyrants. Rinos are simply getting us there slightly slower than the dems. Something to think about. Get boiled slowly, and not notice. Or rapidly, in which case you notice, jump out of the pot and kick somebody’s a$$."

Ok...so what's the alternative, guys??? What you guys already tried in 2006? Newsflash....that only made things WORSE.

I'm open to suggestions. Suggestions re: ANYthing BUT what you did in 2006, that is....ie: voting third party or not voting at all....just because you didn't approve of the RINO excrement. And what did we get instead? Jackass excrement. MUCH more stinky than before.

So...sure. Let's hear your brilliant alternative. Wow me with your wisdom. Ge ahead!

From my perspective, this is the SAME EXACT crap I heard right before the 2006 election. Ya'll just handed the reins over to Fagosi & Company. What's next? For an encore, ya'll planning to hand over the reins to Hitlery now?

154 posted on 01/14/2008 2:18:39 PM PST by XenaLee
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To: Publius Valerius

....This man is not a friend to gun owners....

He’s no friend to conservatives of any stripe.


155 posted on 01/14/2008 2:46:50 PM PST by GunsareOK
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To: Dead Corpse

....Rudy McRomney....

McKook should be on the list too.


156 posted on 01/14/2008 2:48:09 PM PST by GunsareOK
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To: servantboy777

157 posted on 01/14/2008 3:02:49 PM PST by Doomonyou (Let them eat lead.)
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To: demshateGod
Who are the mental defectives, by the way? Homophobes? Sexists? Home Schoolers? Fundamentalist Baptists? This is scary stuff.

The Second Amendment applies to all free persons. It has never applied to people who are, for whatever reason, not free persons.

I don't think the Founding Fathers would have necessarily required someone to have committed a crime in order to be found mentally incompetent and put under someone else's control. Such finding would not have been made lightly, however, nor would it have been reasonable to deny someone's RKBA if it wasn't also reasonable to severely confine their actions in other ways. Significantly, any person who was so restricted would be widely recognized as "not free".

158 posted on 01/14/2008 3:52:10 PM PST by supercat (Sony delenda est.)
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To: Travis McGee
Only well-trained responsible federal agents and police need guns.

Why is that guy wearing the uniform of a criminal?

159 posted on 01/14/2008 5:00:22 PM PST by Barnacle ("We need to move away from the Kennedy wing of the Republican party.” Duncan Hunter)
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To: El Gato

***It’s at least as bad as the California law, which has produced some really “interesting” AR derivitives. (Fixed magazine that you have to break the gun open to load as one example. Pump action ARs as another)***

Was it the Enfield where you put the rounds in through a clip, into a fixed magazine?


160 posted on 01/14/2008 6:09:34 PM PST by wastedyears (This is my BOOMSTICK)
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