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Giuliani Rattled, Cancels Remarks as Pro-lifers Disrupt Sunday Bus Tour Stop
Christian Newswire ^ | 1/13/08 | Christian Newswire

Posted on 01/13/2008 1:51:13 PM PST by wagglebee

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To: shrinkermd
If you read the article you would have read the following:

MIAMI, Jan. 13 /Christian Newswire/ -- Rudy Giuliani was rattled by pro-life advocates and canceled his speech at his first bus-tour event Sunday in Miami. Activists have planned confrontations with Rudy for every stop of his Florida bus tour. Photos available online.

On Sunday, Jan. 13, at approximately 12:15 PM, pro-life activists were in the crowd at The Green Street Cafe (located at 3110 Commodor Plaza, Coconut Grove Florida, just outside Miami) waiting for Giuliani to begin his Florida Bus Tour.

When Rudy Giuliani arrived, Joseph Landry (age 26) was within 5 feet of the candidate, and began yelling: You are a baby killer! You are a baby killer! Florida is pro-life! Rudy wants public funding for abortion!" See news report.

Law enforcement officials immediately escorted Mr. Landry from the area, while Mr. Landry continued his monologue.

Within Minutes, Steven Pokorny, age 28, stood to his feet and cried out, "A third of my generation is dead because of politicians like Giuliani! Giuliani wants to kill children and have you pay for it!" Law enforcement did not stop Mr. Pokorny.

At that point, Giuliani left the building, without addressing the crowd.

Mr. Pokorny was able to follow Mr. Giuliani for more than a minute, yelling out about Rudy's pro-choice, pro-homosexual agenda. Again, Mr. Pokorny was not interrupted by police.

Giuliani officials had no idea how many pro-lifers were in the crowd, and how many more times Giuliani would be confronted. This might explain why Mr. Giuliani did not make any remarks - and left the meeting without addressing supporters


301 posted on 01/13/2008 5:47:05 PM PST by shrinkermd
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To: shrinkermd

He is on a firetruck, and was, throughout the parade.

In public.

And because he’s a politician, he does not get special rights to speak in public.


302 posted on 01/13/2008 5:47:16 PM PST by nicmarlo (I hereby declare my support for Duncan Hunter. 1/10/08; late to the party, but I have arrived!)
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To: wagglebee
"When Rudy Giuliani arrived, Joseph Landry (age 26) was within 5 feet of the candidate, and began yelling: You are a baby killer!"

Joseph Landry sounds like a complete asssshoolllee.

303 posted on 01/13/2008 5:47:31 PM PST by Senator Goldwater
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To: wagglebee

It’s not a little side issue, Rudy.


304 posted on 01/13/2008 5:48:41 PM PST by Lexinom (Build the fence and call China to account. GoHunter08.com)
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To: shrinkermd

I read that article, and the one I posted.

Rudy does not have special protections which afford him extra special rights of speech.

The Founding Fathers put into place the Bill of Rights so that the PEOPLE have the right to speak out....most especially against those who are politicians....the Bill of Rights weren’t put into place to PROTECT politicians FROM the people.


305 posted on 01/13/2008 5:50:00 PM PST by nicmarlo (I hereby declare my support for Duncan Hunter. 1/10/08; late to the party, but I have arrived!)
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To: shrinkermd
Contrary to what you say, your picture has Rudy about to speak from a podium before he was interrupted.

Huh?... he's standing in the back of a red truck... that is moving.

It's a parade. He's not preparing to speak.

306 posted on 01/13/2008 5:50:57 PM PST by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: Lexinom
It’s not a little side issue, Rudy.

Yet that topic has been given NO TIME in the last two debates (luckily for Rudy)!! Go figure.

307 posted on 01/13/2008 5:51:21 PM PST by stockstrader (We need a conservative who will UNITE the Party, not a liberal who will DEMORALIZE it!)
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To: nicmarlo

Look at the picture again. The bullhorn was allegedly 5 feet from him. It made it impossible for him to speak to his supporters.

You are setting a precedent. Eventually you will have a candidate that wishes to address his supporters; in which case an opposition group will feel free and obliged to interrupt him. How about Code Pink?

Further, if Rudy is such a flawed candidate why are his detractors so intent on silencing him? The answer is simple—they fear some might actually listen to him.


308 posted on 01/13/2008 5:54:14 PM PST by shrinkermd
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To: calcowgirl

When Rudy Giuliani arrived, Joseph Landry (age 26) was within 5 feet of the candidate, and began yelling: You are a baby killer! You are a baby killer! Florida is pro-life! Rudy wants public funding for abortion!” See news report.

Law enforcement officials immediately escorted Mr. Landry from the area, while Mr. Landry continued his monologue.

Within Minutes, Steven Pokorny, age 28, stood to his feet and cried out, “A third of my generation is dead because of politicians like Giuliani! Giuliani wants to kill children and have you pay for it!” Law enforcement did not stop Mr. Pokorny.

At that point, Giuliani left the building, without addressing the crowd.


309 posted on 01/13/2008 5:55:44 PM PST by shrinkermd
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To: Moral Hazard

http://www.gothamgazette.com/article//20030113/202/129

“Unfortunately, when the boom ended and the economic cycle turned south, we were left with a tax structure that provided $3 billion less in revenue every fiscal year than it did at the beginning of the ‘90s, but with an expense burden almost 70 percent greater than existed back then. Let me repeat those numbers. Our annual tax revenues are $3 billion less per year, our expense our 70 percent more over the decade. And the attacks of 9/11 just exacerbated that problem.”

— Mayor Michael Bloomberg, December 7, 2002


310 posted on 01/13/2008 5:59:28 PM PST by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: wagglebee
Would you have America adopt the same policies that the Chicoms did at Tienanmen Square?

Here a direct answer: No

Here is question to you: How are you different than Code Pink, who also shout down their political opposition?

Are you brave enough to also give a direct answer, or will you dance again?

311 posted on 01/13/2008 5:59:50 PM PST by Balding_Eagle (If America falls, darkness will cover the face of the earth for a thousand years.)
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To: shrinkermd
"Democrat’s belief that cultural conservatives are rude and ignorant and lacking in simple human courtesy."

You should read what some 'conservatives' say about Ron Paul.

312 posted on 01/13/2008 6:00:46 PM PST by ex-snook ("Above all things, truth beareth away the victory.")
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To: shrinkermd
Rudy's a RINO, hence the conservative anti-abortion detractors. I don't dole out the Bill of Rights to whom I choose. It is for ALL Americans. Only LIBERALS think "I must be treated better than equal"...like in Animal Farm.

The U.S. Supreme Court recognized the importance of this freedom in the 1937 case De Jonge v. State of Oregon, writing that "the right to peaceable assembly is a right cognate to those of free speech and free press and is equally fundamental." According to the Court the right to assemble is "one that cannot be denied without violating those fundamental principles which lie at the base of all civil and political institutions."

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The First Amendment protects peaceful, not violent, assembly. However, there must a "clear and present danger" or an "imminent incitement of lawlessness" before government officials may restrict free-assembly rights. Otherwise, the First Amendment's high purpose can too easily be sacrificed on the altar of political expediency.
Being "loud" does not, in itself, a criminal act make.
313 posted on 01/13/2008 6:01:48 PM PST by nicmarlo (I hereby declare my support for Duncan Hunter. 1/10/08; late to the party, but I have arrived!)
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To: wagglebee

AWESOME !!


314 posted on 01/13/2008 6:03:07 PM PST by RachelFaith (Doing NOTHING... about the illegals already here IS Amnesty !!)
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To: shrinkermd
At that point, Giuliani left the building, without addressing the crowd.

Why? The police already removed one protester. Did Giuliani even attempt to speak? NO! He just left!

All of the folks on this thread crying out for Poor Widdle Wooty should think about what he would do when confronted with the rest of his miserable record by the Hillary or Obama clan. What kind of leader tucks his tail and runs?

315 posted on 01/13/2008 6:07:09 PM PST by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: nicmarlo

Fine. But don’t react to people who disagree with your assessment that their views somehow constitute Marxism.

I could care less if Rudy gets to talk to a crowd. I am concerned that ill-advised protests will set back the cause of life.

Do you join me in that concern? I realize in this instance you and I disagree on what constitutes an ill-advised protest, but as a matter of principle, are you also against ill-advised protests?

And could you possibly refrain from YELLING? Sort of like the problem some of us have with the protests under discussion-—some can’t help but become rude at the drop of a hat.

Thank you.


316 posted on 01/13/2008 6:07:29 PM PST by fightinJAG ("Tell the truth. The Pajama People are watching you.")
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To: nicmarlo
Somehow, I think in the scheme of things, God is more concerned about the murder of innocent babies than Rudy having his 5 minutes

I completely agree.

However, are you extrapolating from this fact that God approves of these exact protests today? Or do you think there may be room for discussion about how to advance the cause of the unborn?

317 posted on 01/13/2008 6:08:52 PM PST by fightinJAG ("Tell the truth. The Pajama People are watching you.")
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To: calcowgirl
Question: "...What kind of leader tucks his tail and runs?

Answer: Mature people with a sense of civility. Or generally, a person of class.

318 posted on 01/13/2008 6:13:28 PM PST by shrinkermd
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To: fightinJAG

Your comment to me, out of the box, categorized me as someone from DU.

Your comment to me, out of the box, was in my response to being told by someone later banned that First Amendment rights did not “allow” protests such as this....which you then tried to twist into something altogether different than to what started the entire discussion.

I hardly think that three words, in all caps, sprinkled about my numerous posts constitutes YELLING.


319 posted on 01/13/2008 6:13:33 PM PST by nicmarlo (I hereby declare my support for Duncan Hunter. 1/10/08; late to the party, but I have arrived!)
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To: wagglebee

If folks like Giuliani or Huckaby were to get the overall nod, i would be convinced that it is time to move on.

I once supported Richard Nixon. Four year later I thought Gerald Ford deserved my support. Those were my last two deliberate liberals. When a liberal wins the nomination, I will take a hike saying I didn’t leave the party, the party left me.


320 posted on 01/13/2008 6:14:07 PM PST by stevem
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