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To: RussP
I can look those words up in the dictionary as well as anyone, and in fact I did that once long ago just to kill time. I won’t waste my time again now.

The original meaning of the word “fasces” is as relevant to a discussion of Hitler as the original meaning of the word “Python” is to the popular programming language that now bears that name. They are just names that were arbitrarily applied.

You’re obsession with the original meaning of words is typical of pedants who obsess with irrelevant details and completely miss the “big picture.” According to your kind of “thinking,” the New England Patriots are certainly not a football team because the word “football” refers to a game where the ball is kicked but not carried, as everyone should know. And everyone who disagrees is just ignorant, of course.

I’m about done wasting my time with you. Go ahead and get the last word if it makes you feel better. Let’s see if you can top your earlier gems of wisdom. That’ll take some doing, but I’ll bet you’re up to the challenge.
LOL... you think you're going to understand socialism by looking it up in the dictionary? Just when I thought you couldn't get any dumber.

The original meaning of "fasces" is extremely important. Do you know why Nazism was called *National* socialism? Again, your smug ignorance is astounding. Fascists were hardly arbitrary in their naming.

The details are hardly irrelevant, unless you think actually *understanding* political ideology is irrelevant. Frankly that's why you're such a sucker for hacks like Goldberg. He throws together a bunch of quotes, tells you what you want to hear and because your mind is such an incoherent muddle you repeat his assertions verbatim.

Like I said, pathetic.
50 posted on 01/15/2008 12:14:19 AM PST by ketsu
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To: ketsu

So the derivation of the word “fasces” is more important than the fact that both socialists and fascists (and “liberals” for that matter) aggressively confiscate private property and redistribute wealth? Yeah, right.

We can only hope that people like you, who bury their heads in the sand and deny the clear fact of Nazi socialism, are in the (small) minority. Such blatant denial of reality is no less foolish than denying the holocaust. If your ignorant views prevail, the stage is truly set for a resurgence of Nazism.

Let me just try one more time to hit you over the head with a clue bat. If this doesn’t do the trick, you are beyond any hope.


Why Are We Socialists?
by Joseph Goebbels

We are socialists because we see in socialism, that is the union of all citizens, the only chance to maintain our racial inheritance and to regain our political freedom and renew our German state.

Socialism is the doctrine of liberation for the working class. It promotes the rise of the fourth class and its incorporation in the political organism of our Fatherland, and is inextricably bound to breaking the present slavery and the regaining of German freedom. Socialism therefore is not merely a matter of the oppressed class, but a matter for everyone, for freeing the German people from slavery is the goal of contemporary policy. Socialism gains its true form only through a total combat brotherhood with the forward-striving energies of a newly awakened nationalism. Without nationalism it is nothing, a phantom, a mere theory, a castle in the sky, a book. With it it is everything, the future, freedom, the Fatherland!

The sin of liberal thinking was to overlook socialism’s nation-building strengths, thereby allowing its energies to go in anti-national directions. The sin of Marxism was to degrade socialism into a question of wages and the stomach, putting it in conflict with the state and its national existence. An understanding of both these facts leads us to a new sense of socialism, which sees its nature as nationalistic, state-building, liberating and constructive.

The bourgeois is about to leave the historical stage. In its place will come the class of productive workers, the working class, that has been up until today oppressed. It is beginning to fulfill its political mission. It is involved in a hard and bitter struggle for political power as it seeks to become part of the national organism. The battle began in the economic realm; it will finish in the political. It is not merely a matter of pay, not only a matter of the number of hours worked in a day-though we may never forget that these are an essential, perhaps even the most significant part of the socialist platform-but it is much more a matter of incorporating a powerful and responsible class in the state, perhaps even to make it the dominant force in the future politics of the Fatherland. The bourgeois does not want to recognize the strength of the working class. Marxism has forced it into a straitjacket that will ruin it. While the working class gradually disintegrates in the Marxist front, bleeding itself dry, the bourgeois and Marxism have agreed on the general lines of capitalism, and see their task now to protect and defend it in various ways, often concealed.

We are socialists because we see the social question as a matter of necessity and justice for the very existence of a state for our people, not a question of cheap pity or insulting sentimentality. The worker has a claim to a living standard that corresponds to what he produces. We have no intention of begging for that right. Incorporating him in the state organism is not only a critical matter for him, but for the whole nation. The question is larger than the eight-hour day. It is a matter of forming a new state consciousness that includes every productive citizen. Since the political powers of the day are neither willing nor able to create such a situation, socialism must be fought for. It is a fighting slogan both inwardly and outwardly. It is aimed domestically at the bourgeois parties and Marxism at the same time, because both are sworn enemies of the coming workers’ state. It is directed abroad at all powers that threaten our national existence and thereby the possibility of the coming socialist national state.

Socialism is possible only in a state that is united domestically and free internationally. The bourgeois and Marxism are responsible for failing to reach both goals, domestic unity and international freedom. No matter how national and social these two forces present themselves, they are the sworn enemies of a socialist national state.

We must therefore break both groups politically. The lines of German socialism are sharp, and our path is clear.

We are against the political bourgeois, and for genuine nationalism!

We are against Marxism, but for true socialism!

We are for the first German national state of a socialist nature!

We are for the National Socialist German Workers Party!

[End of Nazi rant in favor of socialism]


51 posted on 01/15/2008 12:39:11 PM PST by RussP
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