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1 posted on 01/12/2008 10:47:29 AM PST by george76
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I wonder how he gets a pass too, but I shouldn’t, he’s a ‘rat and he’s black-ergo, he gets a pass.


2 posted on 01/12/2008 10:52:35 AM PST by mrsmel (Free Ramos and Compean! Duncan Hunter for President!)
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That being said, I have no idea how a member of a black church that apparently feels it owes greater allegiance to Africa than to America and that pays homage to a bigot like Farrakhan, has the gall to present himself as the one candidate who can bring us all together.

To which there is but only ine reply:

"A hyphenated American is not an American at all.

This is just as true of the man who puts 'Native' before the hyphen as of the man who puts German or Irish or French before the hyphen.

Americanism is a matter of the spirit and of the soul.

Our allegiance must be purely to the United States. We must unsparingly condemn any man who holds any other allegiance."

Theodore Roosevelt... 1915

3 posted on 01/12/2008 10:54:22 AM PST by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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This is just not right. We are not supposed to discuss a candidate’s religion. Unless, of course, it is Romney’s Mormonism. Or Hukabee’s evangelicism. But the latter two cases are, as everyone knows, different than Obama’s because...because...well, they just are, that’s why.


11 posted on 01/12/2008 11:16:27 AM PST by Robwin
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Why is it, I wonder, that nobody is asking Barack Obama about his religious convictions?

I have a $10 bet riding on the fact that Barama will NEVER be asked about his religious beliefs. Easiest money I will ever make.

12 posted on 01/12/2008 11:23:03 AM PST by Fresh Wind (Scrape the bottom, vote for Rodham!)
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It’s becoming clear that Ophama has some divided allegiances. To associate with a church that recognizes Farrakhan as someone who has advanced social justice causes one to question just what type of America Ophama desires. Farrakhan by all appearances is a black supremacist and the NOI is so far out on the fringe that no decent, thinking American would want to get within mile of those positions.

Along with his declining to wear a lapel pin of the US flag and the difficulty he has acknowledging the flag during the anthem paints a radical picture. No doubt Ophama believes America is to blame for many of the world’s injustices and has to be totally remade to conform to an image more closely aligned with Calypso Louie.

It appears he’s a wolf in sheep’s clothing.


13 posted on 01/12/2008 11:24:29 AM PST by bereanway (Hunter in '08)
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This Obama church has been flying around in emails.

I got one stating his middle name was Mommand.

15 posted on 01/12/2008 11:24:38 AM PST by razorback-bert (Remember that amateurs built the Ark while professionals built the Titanic.)
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Jim Davis at Newsmax.com has been very active in exposing Obama’s continuing links to this Rev. Jeremiah Wright. In my opinion, Wright makes Farrakhan and Sharpton look like moderates.

http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2007/8/8/194812.shtml

http://www.newsmax.com/politics/obama_daley_chicago_elect/2007/10/11/40228.html

http://www.newsmax.com/insider_report/Troops_Angry_at_Hillary/2007/09/23/35244.html

Here are some of the most volatile statements from Wright:

Wright on 9/11: “White America got their wake-up call after 9/11. White America and the Western world came to realize people of color had not gone away, faded in the woodwork, or just disappeared as the Great White West kept on its merry way of ignoring black concerns.” On the Sunday after the attacks, Dr. Wright blamed America.

Wright on the disappearance of Natalee Holloway: “Black women are being raped daily in Africa. One white girl from Alabama gets drunk at a graduation trip to Aruba, goes off and gives it up while in a foreign country and that stays in the news for months.”

Wright on Israel: “The Israelis have illegally occupied Palestinian territories for over 40 years now. Divestment has now hit the table again as a strategy to wake the business community and wake up Americans concerning the injustice and the racism under which the Palestinians have lived because of Zionism.”

Wright on America: He has used the term “middleclassness” in a derogatory manner; frequently mentions “white arrogance” and the “oppression” of African-Americans today; and has referred to “this racist United States of America.”


25 posted on 01/12/2008 11:44:24 AM PST by Philo1962 (Iraq is terrorist flypaper. They go there to die.)
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Where do they find these people to run for POTUS.

It’s just sad.


26 posted on 01/12/2008 11:55:46 AM PST by freekitty ((May the eagles long fly our beautiful and free American sky.))
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Just a thought. How much of the legal Hispanic or other minority votes (Asian) in the US do you think Ophama would get? My guess is he’d be popular with illegal immigrants(isn’t he for open borders) but maybe not so well with those legally here. I don’t think his brand of racism (were it exposed) would sell well in some of those communities.


27 posted on 01/12/2008 11:59:11 AM PST by bereanway (Hunter in '08)
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For those interested, the website is http://www.tucc.org. Oh, and they evidently do not practice affirmative action (Justice Brothers, are you paying attention?): http://www.tucc.org/pastoral_staff.htm.


30 posted on 01/12/2008 12:07:04 PM PST by DennisR (Look around - God gives countless clues that He does, indeed, exist.)
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About Us

http://www.tucc.org/home.htm

We are a congregation which is Unashamedly Black and Unapologetically Christian... Our roots in the Black religious experience and tradition are deep, lasting and permanent. We are an African people, and remain "true to our native land," the mother continent, the cradle of civilization. God has superintended our pilgrimage through the days of slavery, the days of segregation, and the long night of racism. It is God who gives us the strength and courage to continuously address injustice as a people, and as a congregation. We constantly affirm our trust in God through cultural expression of a Black worship service and ministries which address the Black Community.

The Pastor as well as the membership of Trinity United Church of Christ is committed to a 10-point Vision:

1.      A congregation committed to ADORATION.

2.      A congregation preaching SALVATION.

3.      A congregation actively seeking RECONCILIATION.

4.      A congregation with a non-negotiable COMMITMENT TO AFRICA.

5.      A congregation committed to BIBLICAL EDUCATION.

6.      A congregation committed to CULTURAL EDUCATION.

7.      A congregation committed to the HISTORICAL EDUCATION OF AFRICAN PEOPLE IN DIASPORA.

8.      A congregation committed to LIBERATION.

9.      A congregation committed to RESTORATION.

10.  A congregation working towards ECONOMIC PARITY.

Click here to read about Dr. Wright’s talking points for Trinity United Church of Christ its Web site and the Black Value System.

 

THE BLACK VALUE SYSTEM

Trinity United Church of Christ adopted the Black Value System, written by the Manford Byrd Recognition Committee, chaired by the late Vallmer Jordan in 1981.

Dr. Manford Byrd, our brother in Christ, withstood the ravage of being denied his earned ascension to the number one position in the Chicago School System.  His dedication to the pursuit of excellence, despite systematic denials, has inspired the congregation of Trinity United Church of Christ.  Prayerfully, we have called upon the wisdom of all past generations of suffering Blacks for guidance in fashioning an instrument of Black self-determination, the Black Value System.

Beginning in 1982, an annual Black Value System – Educational Scholarship in the name of Dr. Byrd was instituted.  The first recipient of the Dr. Manford Byrd Award, which is given annually to the man or woman who best exemplifies the Black Value System, was our brother, Dr. Manford Byrd.

These Black Ethics must be taught and exemplified in homes, churches, nurseries and schools, wherever Blacks are gathered.  They consist of the following concepts:

1.      Commitment to God.  “The God of our weary years” will give us the strength to give up prayerful passivism and become Black Christian Activists, soldiers for Black freedom and the dignity of all humankind.

2.      Commitment to the Black Community.  The highest level of achievement for any Black person must be a contribution of strength and continuity of the Black Community.

3.      Commitment to the Black Family.  The Black family circle must generate strength, stability and love, despite the uncertainty of externals, because these characteristics are required if the developing person is to withstand warping by our racist competitive society. 

Those Blacks who are blessed with membership in a strong family unit must reach out and expand that blessing to the less fortunate.

4.      Dedication to the Pursuit of Education.  We must forswear anti-intellectualism.  Continued survival demands that each Black person be developed to the utmost of his/her mental potential despite the inadequacies of the formal education process.  “Real education” fosters understanding of ourselves as well as every aspect of our environment.  Also, it develops within us the ability to fashion concepts and tools for better utilization of our resources, and more effective solutions to our problems.  Since the majority of Blacks have been denied such learning, Black Education must include elements that produce high school graduates with marketable skills, a trade or qualifications for apprenticeships, or proper preparation for college.

Basic education for all Blacks should include Mathematics, Science, Logic, General Semantics, Participative Politics, Economics and Finance, and the Care and Nurture of Black minds.

5.      Dedication to the Pursuit of Excellence.   To the extent that we individually reach for, even strain for excellence, we increase, geometrically, the value and resourcefulness of the Black Community.  We must recognize the relativity of one’s best; this year’s best can be bettered next year.  Such is the language of growth and development.  We must seek to excel in every endeavor.

6.      Adherence to the Black Work Ethic.  “It is becoming harder to find qualified people to work in Chicago.”  Whether this is true or not, it represents one of the many reasons given by businesses and industries for deserting the Chicago area.  We must realize that a location with good facilities, adequate transportation and a reputation for producing skilled workers will attract industry.  We are in competition with other cities, states and nations for jobs.  High productivity must be a goal of the Black workforce.

7.      Commitment to Self-Discipline and Self-Respect.  To accomplish anything worthwhile requires self-discipline.  We must be a community of self-disciplined persons if we are to actualize and utilize our own human resources, instead of perpetually submitting to exploitation by others.  Self-discipline, coupled with a respect for self, will enable each of us to be an instrument of Black Progress and a model for Black Youth.

8.      Disavowal of the Pursuit of “Middleclassness.”  Classic methodology on control of captives teaches that captors must be able to identify the “talented tenth” of those subjugated, especially those who show promise of providing the kind of leadership that might threaten the captor’s control.

Those so identified are separated from the rest of the people by:

1.      Killing them off directly, and/or fostering a social system that encourages them to kill off one another.

2.      Placing them in concentration camps, and/or structuring an economic environment that induces captive youth to fill the jails and prisons.

3.      Seducing them into a socioeconomic class system which, while training them to earn more dollars, hypnotizes them into believing they are better than others and teaches them to think in terms of “we” and “they” instead of “us.”

4.      So, while it is permissible to chase “middleclassness” with all our might, we must avoid the third separation method – the psychological entrapment of Black “middleclassness.”  If we avoid this snare, we will also diminish our “voluntary” contributions to methods A and B.  And more importantly, Black people no longer will be deprived of their birthright: the leadership, resourcefulness and example of their own talented persons.

9.      Pledge to Make the Fruits of All Developing and Acquired Skills Available to the Black Community.
 

10.  Pledge to Allocate Regularly, a Portion of Personal Resources for Strengthening and Supporting Black Institutions.

11.  Pledge Allegiance to All Black Leadership Who Espouse and Embrace the Black Value System.

12.  Personal Commitment to Embracement of the Black Value System.  To measure the worth and validity of all activity in terms of positive contributions to the general welfare of the Black Community and the Advancement of Black People towards freedom.

 

Talking Points

Dr. Wright’s talking points (3.1.7) for Trinity United Church of Christ its Web site and the Black Value System (in response to Erik Rush’s comments (2.28.07) on the Hannity and Colmes show):

• One of the biggest gaps in knowledge that causes the kind of ignorance that you hear spouted by this man [Erik Rush] and those like him, has to do with the fact that these persons are completely ignorant when it comes to the Black religious tradition. The vision statement of Trinity United Church of Christ is based upon the systematized liberation theology that started in 1969 with the publication of Dr. James Cone’s book, Black Power and Black Theology.

• Black theology is one of the many theologies in the Americas that became popular during the liberation theology movement. They include Hispanic theology, Native American theology, Asian theology and Womanist theology.

• I use the word “systematized” because Black liberation theology was in existence long before Dr. Cone’s book. It originates in the days of the Trans-Atlantic slave trade. It was systematized and published by theologians, Old Testament scholars, New Testament scholars, ethicists, church historians, and historians of religion such as Dr. James Cone, Dr. Cain Hope Felder, Dr. Gayraud Wilmore, Dr. Jacqueline Grant, Dr. Kelley Brown Douglas, Dr. Renita Weems, Dr. Katie Cannon, Dr. Dwight Hopkins, Dr. Linda Thomas, and Dr. Randall Bailey.

• These scholars, who write in various disciplines, also include seminary presidents like Dr. John Kinney and professors of Hebrew Bible, like Dr. Jerome Ross. Black liberation theology defines Africans and African Americans as subjects – not the objects which colonizers and oppressors have consistently defined “others” as.

• We [African Americans] were always seen as objects. When we started defining ourselves, it scared those who try to control others by naming them and defining them for them; Oppressors do not like “others” defining themselves.

• To have a church whose theological perspective starts from the vantage point of Black liberation theology being its center, is not to say that African or African American people are superior to any one else.

• African-centered thought, unlike Eurocentrism, does not assume superiority and look at everyone else as being inferior.

• There is more than one center from which to view the world. In the words of Dr. Janice Hale, “Difference does not mean deficience.” It is from this vantage point that Black liberation theology speaks.

• Systematized Black liberation theology is 40 years old. Scholars of African and African American religious history show that Black liberation theology, however, has been in existence for 400 years. It is found in the songs, the sermons, the testimonies and the oral literature of Africans throughout the Diaspora.


33 posted on 01/12/2008 12:18:23 PM PST by SJackson (If 45 million children had lived, they'd be defending America, filling jobs, paying SS-Z. Miller)
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This “church”, seems like a great hiding place for a “closet Muslim”.


34 posted on 01/12/2008 12:21:23 PM PST by Uncle George
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To: george76; AdmSmith; Berosus; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Fred Nerks; ...

Thanks g.


35 posted on 01/12/2008 12:21:40 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/____________________Profile updated Sunday, December 30, 2007)
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I’m hoping that republicans have a plant attending this church filming it to show in case Mr. O gets nominated.
Crazy doesn’t start to describe it.
Momma Africa?
Give me a break.


41 posted on 01/12/2008 12:32:56 PM PST by Joe Boucher (An enemy of Islam)
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On Obama '08, Is this statement: "In the Audacity of Hope, Obama wrote, "I was finally able to walk down the aisle of Trinity United Church of Christ one day and be baptized."

The record is clear that he "walked down the aisle" - - but it is not at all clear that he "was formally baptized."

If anyone has any evidence that Obama was ever baptized I would appreciate a source/link.

This is all I have been able to find:

“Obama walked down the aisle of Trinity Church to make a formal commitment of his faith. However, Cathleen Falsani, religion columnist for the Chicago Sun-Times, warns us that Obama’s walking the aisle at Trinity is poles apart from what Christians commonly refer to as being “saved, transformed or washed in the blood.” In other words, it’s not to be confused with what Jesus called being “born again.”

In another account of this event, Manya Brachear, writing in the Chicago Tribune, describes the event thusly: "When Obama sought his own church community, he felt increasingly at home at Trinity. Before leaving for Harvard Law School in 1988, he responded to one of Wright's altar calls and declared a personal relationship with Jesus Christ.

If you know if Obama was baptized, who performed the ceremony, who attended and if there are any photos or other records of such an event, please contact.

Obama is a politician - - loves the spotlight - - one would think there would be 47,562 photographs of Obama being baptized.

One would think there would be at least one newspaper story describing the ceremony - - there isn’t.

A colleague is presently in Chicago attempting to find the answer to the question, did Obama ever get baptized?

The Obama File
44 posted on 01/12/2008 12:39:17 PM PST by Beckwith (Dhimmicrats and the liberal media have chosen sides -- Islamofascism)
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Liberation theology meets black nationalism, and shallow Democrats peddle the false christ of plundered tax dollars to promote an empty suit named Obama. Where’s the problem? Four years of having this guy in the White House will lock in Republican sweeps for twelve, maybe sixteen years. None of our Republican liberals could accomplish that, not even the religious ones. Seriously, some days I think Obama is the exact enema this country needs.


49 posted on 01/12/2008 12:49:55 PM PST by pallis
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Where’s that footage of algore morphing into a Black Southern Baptist preacher?


70 posted on 01/12/2008 3:18:04 PM PST by Eagle Eye (If you agree with Democrats you agree with America's enemies.)
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bkmk


71 posted on 01/12/2008 3:19:49 PM PST by g'nad
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I was changing channels a few weeks before the last Presidential election. I came across a “minister” who was really letting the Republicans have it and was endorsing Kerry. I thought he was so awful that I sent him an email. Never heard back from him and I can not imagine why. Poor sweet little me writing someone as important as he thought he was. I have kept up with the website ever since. He has beliefs that are contrary to the Bible and I can see why he only thinks Blacks should come to his church. He says they owe allegiance to Africa but says nothing about this country. Or that was on there at one time. It is as fake as any “church” I have come across. It is pure racist.


77 posted on 01/12/2008 3:58:57 PM PST by MamaB
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84 posted on 01/12/2008 7:53:30 PM PST by Fred Nerks
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