Posted on 01/10/2008 1:11:53 AM PST by Kevmo
Pure hogwash.
Sad but true.
Leading the pack though it may be, it's leading with a little less than 25%. So looking at it another way, 75% won't vote R regardless. :)
Thanks for that in depth rebuttal.
If Hunter had a dollar for every person who said, “He’s a great guy,but he can’t win”, he’d have close to a million dollars.
It’s not enough to say you’re a conservative any more. Liberals are backing up their words with money and participation. If we don’t respond with the same motivation, we’re doomed to a slow slide towards socialism.
Real conservatives know who they are and know that they, and the nation, are in grave peril.
Gentlemen - I have come to the conclusion that there is no saving the Republic. The forces of socialism have won. The candidates on both sides represent various degrees of socialist ideology, with a couple of obvious exceptions (Hunter and Thompson). I don't believe either of them will win the nomination, and if they do I don't believe they will win the election.
Socialism kills societies the way a boa constrictor does, by using a ratcheting strategy that always tightens around its victim. What you're seeing here is the end game in strangling our country to death.
Reagan got Gorbachev to tear down the wall. What he didn't do was to stop the forces of socialism within our country. No criticism there, just an observation. I don't believe anyone could have done it. The forces of international socialism lost "the battle of the Berlin Wall", but they won the overall long term war against capitalism. Our children are doomed to a grim future of working hard in order to have even a little bit above and beyond what their socialist masters permit them to have.
If we're lucky, we'll be permitted to live out our lives in peace. If we're not lucky, the socialists will make sure we never trouble them again. You can fill in the blanks in that scenario. I'll give you a hint - imagine what Hillary will do to thwart Rush Limbaugh when she's in office. Picture a national crisis, ginned up by the imaginative Clintons, under which all subversive elements are subject to their control.
Issues, (remember issues, anyone?), which are important to me:
Abortion, and the sanctity of life in general. (yet I can be for capital punishment without batting an eyelash).
Border Security--build the fence already!
Constitutional bounds: put the Fedgov back inside them.
Defense: Finish the WOT. Keep the military strong, secure the borders.
Education: Vouchers, accountability. Energy policy could fit here, too. Something grounded in the laws of physics and based on our solar system would be nice, instead of mandating mercuric light bulbs. Unfortunately, many of the problems are linked to an unrealistic view of another E, the Environment.
Firearms: Keep yer gun grabbing mitts off. In fact repeal some of that useless crap they call Gun Control.
Gun Control: See firearms.
Health Care: I have seen the mess the BIA has made of 'Indian Health', and can (unfortunately) imagine the horror show our health care would become if the Government ran it. No way.
Internet: The modern version of the soapbox in the town square. Keep the government out of it--and no taxes. Some would put Income tax here, and I'd go for a flat tax with cut-offs and caps. Some like the "fair tax" but I'm not convinced. YMMV.
Judiciary: It is the job of Congress to legislate, not the judges. The Bench can toss a law out, and that is plenty.
Kevmo, there is more, I am sure, But you get the general drift. Without shoehorning issues into a format, I am sure we could come up with something for every letter of the alphabet, and then some. But of late, many who call themselves conservatives treat the label as if it were just that. It isn't, it goes to the core beliefs of the bearer, and whether people like it or not, it represents a fixed set of beliefs.
It makes no more sense to try to drag that set of beliefs to the left and call them 'conservative' than it does to haul truckloads of sand away from the coast, pile them in a line and call it a beach.
All the hyphenations neo- so- paleo- etc., do is fractionate the believers into subsets, subsets which heartily pick and choose what they want to believe as is convenient for them, and then say they are 'conservative', too. Enough of this, and the Democrats will be claiming the title of 'conservative', and some of them more rightfully than the fractionated hypehnated groups.
Now, I know it isn't representative of the entire population by a longshot, but the poll on FR here shows about half of the respondents would vote for anyone with an 'R' after their name for POTUS. Nice to have the votes, but if they aren't that picky, then let us have a Conservative, for once, as a candidate.
Why? because it doesn't matter how pretty or slick they are, to Conservatives, the issues matter. There are some things we just won't vote for, and if there is nothing to vote against (I.E. no difference between the candidates on the issues) we just might go fishing.
Of course we have to do more to promote conservative candidates. Including candidates for senate, house, state house, senate and governors all the way down to local school boards. The problem in the Republican Party, at least up here in the northeast, is that many conservatives have withdrawn from local party politics. I don’t know whether it’s because they are frustrated or too busy with their work and family but it seems like the energy has gone out of the state and local committees and they are being increasingly run by RINOs who just want to “get along”.
I e-mailed the party chairman yeaterday. If I get a chance, I’ll call today.
Very nice vanity, and oh so true.
Save it from what ? If Rs vote for McCain, Huckabee, Guiliani or Romney, we are voting for a democrat who doesn’t choose to call themselves one.
What’s the difference ?
Hey Russ, I did not mean that you were a sheeple.The powers that be will dictate which way the party will go and not the rank and file.When those arrogant asses run out of money at the “rnc” maybe then they will get the message.Sorry,Im not voting for rinos under any circumstances and I am not alone.
Let me know how that works out.
TLR
Don’t let them get away with choosing the candidates!
My feeling is that if a person is on the ballot, he should be included in the debates. Is Hunter on the SC ballot?
The pickins are gittin slim.
This is so true! And remember what the MSM did with the Bush & Gore election?
And, as a kind of aside - look what the MSM & Wall Street are doing to our economy. They're pushing us toward a recession with their cries of doom and gloom. I've been tuning the news out when they start with this crap.
I noticed that right away too. Sad that so many brain dead lemmings inhabit this site anymore- I miss 1998, when people around here had balls.
I've been here since 1998 and this claim is ALWAYS made. And it is always made by a person trying to convince someone else to vote for a non-conservative candidate.
We help elect a Republican president and then hold him accountable.
Mm-hmmm, that's what we were promised about President Bush when people got skittish over Bush's "compassionate conservatism" rhetoric. It didn't quite work out as promised.
Face it, if another lib republican makes it into the white house there will be no holding his feet to the fire. There will be cheerleading and shouting down of people who DO try to keep him accountable. It's happened that way before, it'll happen that way again.
It just might save the Republic.
Or it just might kill it.
No, your not. I’d rather see the Dims win the WH and let America see how they can screw things up for 4 yrs than vote against my conscience and values for some half-assed RINO.
I may reconsider when the Noms are selected but, at this time, I refuse to budge.
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