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Feeling Murderers' Pain
IBD ^ | January 9, 2008

Posted on 01/09/2008 5:20:44 PM PST by Kaslin

Death Penalty: The Supreme Court this week heard arguments that lethal injection is cruel and unusual punishment. Euthanasia advocates consider it a blessing for the deathly ill. Yet it's cruel for the just plain deadly.<.font>


The Supreme Court heard arguments last Monday not on the constitutionality of the death penalty itself but on whether the possibility that a murderer might experience pain if the three-chemical cocktail administered to death row inmates takes too long to do its job.

In their brief to the court, lawyers for convicted murderers Ralph Baze and Thomas Bowling say the three-part death cocktail and the protocols the commonwealth of Kentucky uses to administer the death penalty are both cruel and unusual, and therefore unconstitutional.

They argue "a state violates the Eighth Amendment when its execution procedures create a significant and unnecessary risk of inflicting severe pain that could be prevented by the adoption of reasonable safeguards."

Never mind about the compelling interest the state might have in protecting lives through the deterrent effect of the swift and frequent application of the death penalty. (A fact demonstrated, by the way, by a wide number of studies showing that the swift, sure application of the death penalty results in fewer murders.) The adoption of this reasonable safeguard might reduce the risk of severe pain and death being inflicted on the truly innocent.

Liberal angst is reserved for a convicted murderer who took too long to die, rather than the victims of these predators who often suffered horribly. We feel safe in saying the victims and their families suffer far more than the alleged victim of a botched IV.

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TOPICS: Editorial; Government
KEYWORDS: deathpenalty; kindnessforkillers; liberalangst; murderers
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1 posted on 01/09/2008 5:20:45 PM PST by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin
Why do we even care whether the murderer feels pain?
2 posted on 01/09/2008 5:23:04 PM PST by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance on Parade)
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To: Kaslin
[As usual, Justice Antonin Scalia boiled the case down. . .”This is an execution, not surgery,” Scalia said, adding, “Where does this come from, that . . . in the execution of a person who has been convicted of killing people we must choose the least painful method possible? Is that somewhere in our Constitution?”]

Another good editorial at:

http://www.dailynews-record.com/opinion_details.php?AID=14280&CHID=36

3 posted on 01/09/2008 5:27:31 PM PST by Brad from Tennessee ("A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.")
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To: Kaslin

That’s liberals for ya-they cry crocodile tears over whether an axe murderer feels pain from a little injection, but could care less about the pain to babies in the womb having their heads opened with scissors and their brains suctioned out.


4 posted on 01/09/2008 5:27:55 PM PST by mrsmel (Free Ramos and Compean! Duncan Hunter for President!)
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To: okie01

Bring back hangin’’,,they’ll be to scared to feel any pain..


5 posted on 01/09/2008 5:29:08 PM PST by silentreignofheroes (I'm Southron,,,and I Vote...)
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To: Kaslin

Jesus felt for murderers, even as he himself was dying.

Now, I’m not good like Jesus was and I recognize the need of society to protect itself so that humanity can endure, but I do try to be good.

We could make this problem go away by adding enough morphine to kill any pain. They would still be dead and we would still be free of them.


6 posted on 01/09/2008 5:30:34 PM PST by gondramB (Preach the Gospel at all times, and when necessary, use words.)
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To: Kaslin

Give them two choices. The rope or the method they used to murder their victim. When possible, the punishment should be carried out in line of sight of the location of their crime.


7 posted on 01/09/2008 5:32:11 PM PST by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: Kaslin

The constitution prohibits cruel and unusual punishment. It does not guarantee a painless execution.


8 posted on 01/09/2008 5:32:57 PM PST by umgud (no more subprime politicians)
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To: Kaslin

As many have said before, the convicted murderer should suffer the same fate as his or her victim. Poison your victim, you die by the same poison. Slash the throat, you get your throat slashed. Y’all get the idea, the intent of the Constitutional ban on “cruel and unusual punishment” IMHO meant executions such as drawing and quartering. As far as I am concerned, whatever the means justifies the fatal end!


9 posted on 01/09/2008 5:33:10 PM PST by BatGuano (Carbon Credits=21st Century Indulgences)
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To: gondramB
Jesus felt for murderers, even as he himself was dying.

I’ve been trying to find a verse where it says something like, “A starving man who steals a loaf of bread will be looked upon with sympathy but he is still accountable for seven times the amount that was stolen.”

Pardon the bad paraphrase. I can’t remember where, in the Bible, I read it.

10 posted on 01/09/2008 5:35:02 PM PST by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: okie01

I care that they feel pain.... they should feel lots of it.


11 posted on 01/09/2008 5:35:12 PM PST by Ouderkirk (Hillary = Senator Incitatus, Clintigula's whore...er, horse.)
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To: gondramB

Hammer them with a lethal dose of heroin if they’re worried about them feeling anything.


12 posted on 01/09/2008 5:37:16 PM PST by Ouderkirk (Hillary = Senator Incitatus, Clintigula's whore...er, horse.)
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To: Ouderkirk

>>Hammer them with a lethal dose of heroin if they’re worried about them feeling anything.<<

Exactly. That would cost basically nothing and would make this issue go away.

There is precedent for minimizing pain during executions - from pardons if the headsman took too many chops to mandating a high drop on a hanging so the person didn’t slowly choke.


13 posted on 01/09/2008 5:39:24 PM PST by gondramB (Preach the Gospel at all times, and when necessary, use words.)
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To: Kaslin
Give the condemned their choice on how they wish to die. They didn’t give their victims the choice but we need to let liberals feel good about themselves. Antifreeze would be an excellent slow death to those that molest and kill children.
14 posted on 01/09/2008 5:41:54 PM PST by vetvetdoug
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To: Kaslin
As I said before, the 8th ammendment says "cruel and unusual. All we need to do is make it cruel and common and then who cares how bad they hurt.
15 posted on 01/09/2008 5:42:07 PM PST by CougarGA7 (I'm supporting a Conservative not a RINO http://www.gohunter08.com/)
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To: BatGuano
... drawing and quartering ...

You're right, but drawing and quartering was a kiss on the cheek compared to some of the execution methods they had invented back in the old Europe the Founders had left behind.

16 posted on 01/09/2008 5:43:39 PM PST by Steely Tom (Steely's First Law of the Main Stream Media: if it doesn't advance the agenda, it's not news.)
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To: Kaslin

This is absurd! The first drug puts the killer in a coma where no pain can be felt!


17 posted on 01/09/2008 5:44:27 PM PST by Doctor Don
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To: gondramB
We could make this problem go away by adding enough morphine to kill any pain. They would still be dead and we would still be free of them.

Another solution: Use nitrous oxide like dentists use.

Put a mask on, start it slow and increase over a five or ten minute period, when it gets to 100%, keep it there for fifteen minutes.

They would never feel anything, including the needle.

18 posted on 01/09/2008 5:47:20 PM PST by Dan(9698)
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To: silentreignofheroes

Didn’t they tell us how much fun starvation is when Terri Schiavo was executed? Why aren’t the libs asking us to starve them to death?


19 posted on 01/09/2008 5:47:33 PM PST by gitmo (From now on, ending a sentence with a preposition is something up with which I will not put.)
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To: Kaslin
Image hosted by Photobucket.com in a just society, the killer should be required to feel AT LEAST as much pain as the VICTIM did!!!
20 posted on 01/09/2008 5:48:30 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist ©®)
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