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To: DelphiUser
Chiasmus

Drag that worn out arguement that has already been explained away. Chiasmus was understood before Smith's time, it is a pattern found in other languages and cultures and infact Smith's journals and the D&C contain Chiasmus. That means it is probably nothing more than his writing style. IF we had the bom plates, the could be referenced - but alas, you have to resort again to simple inuendo inspite of alternative explainations.

He certified it as Egyptian before he was told it was being translated by a prophet of God.

That is not what Anthon formally put down in writing. But that as it may, modern research suggests that, given the state of knowledge of Egyptian in 1828, Anthon's views would have been little more than opinion and not a basis of fact, unless you can provide the certificate or trust the word of an individual branded as a liar by Smith.

Please explain the Colophon (Joseph did not know what a Colophon was) that the Book of Mormon starts with: First Nephi 1:1-3

Is Joey around to ask? There is nothing to indicate that he didn't know either.

2,064 posted on 01/29/2008 4:37:29 PM PST by Godzilla (I may be schizophrenic, but at least I'll always have each other.)
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To: Godzilla

Spaulding knew well what a Colophon was. He was an educated man, well versed in the bible as well as both the Greek and Hebrew language. At least Joe plagarized from a man with education he, Joe, would never undertake. And why should Joe Smith do the work to obtain an education, he had a seer stone, a peepstone, a divination rock! And his plagarism and scam netted him lots of sexual consorts, too! The guy had it made, for a while, at least by worldly standards. But eternity is a very long time and Joe’s place with the father of lies will not be a fun trip don’tchaknow.


2,068 posted on 01/29/2008 5:14:45 PM PST by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: Godzilla
U Said: Drag that worn out argument that has already been explained away.

No it has not.

U Said: Chiasmus was understood before Smith's time, (By Gospel scholars in monasteries, not by Farmers in New england who were 14-20 with a third grade education) it is a pattern found in other languages and cultures (That was not thought to be significantly until computers started examining scriptures) and in fact Smith's journals and the D&C contain Chiasmus. (Yep, he was an inspired man, After God speaking to you in Chiasmus for a while you start to talk and communicate in them too. however, in the Book of Mormon there are Chiasmus sometimes span chapters, the ones in Joseph's journal are short.) That means it is probably nothing more than his writing style. (Yeah, he just happens to have a writing "style" that is painstaking in its thought process and is used by Scholars of the scriptures and Prophets, almost exclusively, he just happens to use a device he could not have known about to authenticate a book and he never bothered to mention it, he waited for people to discover it over a hundred years later, lousy planning, but lucky him, it's all coincidence...) IF we had the bom plates, the could be referenced - but alas, you have to resort again to simple inuendo inspite of alternative explainations.

Yeah, if we had the plates there would be no criticism, if we had the plates that would be enough evidence, LOL! IF we had the plates returned to us tomorrow you would probably complain that the chain of evidence was broken or that we had had them manufactured or some such balderdash. You ignore all counter evidence, so your whining about the plates not being shown to you is just that whining for effect.

I Said: He certified it as Egyptian before he was told it was being translated by a prophet of God.

U Said: That is not what Anthon formally put down in writing.

Which time...

U Said: But that as it may, modern research suggests that, given the state of knowledge of Egyptian in 1828, Anthon's views would have been little more than opinion and not a basis of fact, unless you can provide the certificate or trust the word of an individual branded as a liar by Smith.

Jesus was branded a liar by the Sanhedrin, yet you take his word, why?

There are a bunch of witnesses tot he Plate's existence, what if the engravings would not be recognized as Egyptian? So? They said they had altered them for their own use. so that would even be consistent.

U Said: Is Joey around to ask? There is nothing to indicate that he didn't know either.

No he's not around, Anti Mormons killed him thinking that if his work was of men, it would end with his death, well Mormons are still here, that's because it is a work of God.

Oh, and how many people with a third grade education today know what a Colophon is? Ho many fifth graders? High School seniors? Anyone who believes Joseph Smith figured all this out, studied all this stuff, and put the Book of Mormon together, in his spare time, while farming for a living, is an Idiot.
2,184 posted on 01/30/2008 11:33:45 AM PST by DelphiUser ("You can lead a man to knowledge, but you can't make him think")
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