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To: DelphiUser
So, Like I said, Mormons do not believe that God had sex with Mary.

They sure have taught it:

Bruce R. McConkie
"These name-titles all signify that our Lord is the only Son of the Father in the flesh. Each of the words is to be understood literally. Only means only; Begotten means begotten; and Son means son. Christ was begotten by an Immortal Father in the same way that mortal men are begotten by mortal fathers" (Mormon Doctrine, 546-47; emphasis added).
"There is nothing figurative about his paternity; he was begotten, conceived and born in the normal and natural course of events, for he is the Son of God, and that designation means what it says "(Mormon Doctrine,742;emphasis added).

This is, the official doctrine of the Mormon Church. I use the term "official doctrine" because every LDS General Authority that has addressed the subject has consistently taught it. In point of fact, this doctrine has never been denied by any General Authority of the LDS Church! Oh, and McConkie was a General Authority at this time.

2,005 posted on 01/29/2008 9:39:21 AM PST by Godzilla (I may be schizophrenic, but at least I'll always have each other.)
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To: Godzilla; colorcountry; LeGrande
I Said: So, Like I said, Mormons do not believe that God had sex with Mary.

U Said: They sure have taught it:

They have never taught that Mary was anything but a virgin. They have stressed that God is Jesus' father in every way. You are interpreting their words.

U Quoted:
Bruce R. McConkie

"These name-titles all signify that our Lord is the only Son of the Father in the flesh. Each of the words is to be understood literally. Only means only; Begotten means begotten; and Son means son. Christ was begotten by an Immortal Father in the same way that mortal men are begotten by mortal fathers" (Mormon Doctrine, 546-47; emphasis added). "There is nothing figurative about his paternity; he was begotten, conceived and born in the normal and natural course of events, for he is the Son of God, and that designation means what it says "(Mormon Doctrine,742;emphasis added).
I can tell you with surety that This is not what Bruce R McConkie meant, He did not mean sex.

"Our Lord is the only mortal person ever born to a virgin, because he is the only person who ever had an immortal Father. Mary, his mother, "was carried away in the Spirit" (1 Ne. 11:13-21), was "overshadowed" by the Holy Ghost, and the conception which took place "by the power of the Holy Ghost" resulted in the bringing forth of the literal and personal Son of God the Father. (Alma 7:10; 2 Ne. 17:14; Isa. 7:14; Matt. 1:18-25; Luke 1:26-38.) Christ is not the Son of the Holy Ghost, but of the Father. (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 1, pp. 18-20.) Modernistic teachings denying the virgin birth are utterly and completely apostate and false. (Elder Bruce R. McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, p.822, emphasis added)
So, Bruce R McConkie in the same book, 80 pages later when talking about the Virgin birth makes sure everyone knows he is not saying God had sex with Mary.

You are incorrect, again.

U Said: This is, the official doctrine of the Mormon Church. I use the term "official doctrine" because every LDS General Authority that has addressed the subject has consistently taught it. In point of fact, this doctrine has never been denied by any General Authority of the LDS Church! Oh, and McConkie was a General Authority at this time.

This is a complete lie. Every general authority of the church has testified of the Virgin birth. Let me explain this to you, you are only a virgin until you have sex, then you are not a virgin, therefore if you believe and testify of the Virgin birth in specificity, that precludes a belief in The Offensive blasphemous damnable heresy thrust upon us from Anti Mormons that God had Sex with Mary.

Let me try an authority you may actually respect.

CC, can you confirm or deny LDS belief in the Virgin birth? Thank you in advance, and sorry to bother you. Your unique status as a someone widely known to be an Ex-mormon may be useful here to rectify this long running misunderstanding by some of the other antis.

LeGrande, you too, have a reputation as an ex who is not afraid to call us on things we get wrong about our own beliefs here. What is the Mormons belief concerning the Virgin birth, do we believe it or not?

For the proposes of this question, will both of you please note a Virgin birth precludes preempts and invalidates any kind of a belief that God the Father and Mary had sex.
2,011 posted on 01/29/2008 10:52:06 AM PST by DelphiUser ("You can lead a man to knowledge, but you can't make him think")
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To: Godzilla
"There is nothing figurative about his paternity; he was begotten, conceived and born in the normal and natural course of events, for he is the Son of God, and that designation means what it says "
--(Mormon Doctrine,742;emphasis added).
 
MORE emphasis added!

2,024 posted on 01/29/2008 11:29:30 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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