>Is it the nature of god to capitulate to the laws of man if those laws are contrary to his command? DC 132:4 is very strong on what god said.
D&C 132:4 is not limited solely to polygamy. The everlasting DOCTRINE is eternal marriage. There is a PRINCIPLE of polygamy. Never has The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints taught that man MUST take more than one wife to receive all that is promised by God.
You are simply wrong.
It is an Article of Faith that we obey the laws of the country. The LDS Church does not suggest to Chinese members that they ignore the Chinese laws regarding how many children each family can have. It respects those laws, unless God demands obedience to his law OVER man’s laws. It’s hardly novel that God “dumbs down” his laws to accommodate the weakness of men. Hence the ancient Jews had the Mosaic law as opposed to the higher law given by Christ. And the law of consecration is higher than the currently imposed law of tithing.
>So this is god is less than the US government?
No. This God is no less than the U.S. government than he was during the Holocaust. He allows men to govern themselves, and if the law is not essential to man’s salvation then I really don’t think He spends time worrying about it (though you seem to).
The fact that God allowed it to fall by the wayside is evidence that it is NOT required for salvation (though you seem to claim that it is contrary to LDS teachings). You are simply wrong on LDS thought. Please don’t tell us what we believe, and we really don’t need you to interpret our scriptures for us.
DC 132:1 states -
1 Verily, thus saith the Lord unto you my servant Joseph, that inasmuch as you have inquired of my hand to know and understand wherein I, the Lord, justified my servants Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, as also Moses, David and Solomon, my servants, as touching the principle and doctrine of their having many wives and concubines—
Reading further through 132, there is nothing that indicates that a PRINCIPLE is being discussed or even presented. It is a doctrinal justification for polygamy on this earth. History show this to be the interpreted practice, it continued outside of the US after 1890 and in secret within the US (to this day).
Never has The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints taught that man MUST take more than one wife to receive all that is promised by God.
Correct to a point, and that is to reject the doctrine of polygamy, you are rejected from glory (DC 132:4) irregardless if you are in a monogamous or polygamous situations. This rejection is what occurred in 1890.
It is an Article of Faith that we obey the laws of the country. The LDS Church does not suggest to Chinese members that they ignore the Chinese laws regarding how many children each family can have.
Nor is there any prophetic utterance/doctrine that I am aware of that requires mormons to have a lot of kids either, nor warns of eternal damnation if they don't.
It respects those laws, unless God demands obedience to his law OVER man’s laws.
Except that from 1843 to 1890 the practice was condoned and demanded obedience of his prophetic oracle versus law. (DC 132:4)
No. This God is no less than the U.S. government than he was during the Holocaust. He allows men to govern themselves, and if the law is not essential to man’s salvation then I really don’t think He spends time worrying about it (though you seem to).
Sorry, holocast does not equal the polygamy issue at hand. The issue is whether god's law in DC 132 is superceded by man's. It is your holy works that make it essential to your salvation, not mine.
The fact that God allowed it to fall by the wayside is evidence that it is NOT required for salvation (though you seem to claim that it is contrary to LDS teachings).
I find this line of logic humorous, contrary to 132:4
Please don’t tell us what we believe, and we really don’t need you to interpret our scriptures for us.
I find this really interesting. I've read gross distortions of Christian doctine from LDS multiple times. I have read the material in question and find it hard not to come to the conclusions I have based upon 1) What is written, 2) Undenied practice of polygamy during the course of mormon history, 3) Capitulation to law only after the supreme court upholds law and US military forces begin to move to Utah to enforce the law and seize lds assets, 4) connecting the dots on multiple other areas - such as DC 132 direct contradiction with the BOM regarding polygamy and 5) Woodruff's out an out lie that polygamy was never taught, let alone actually permitted (DECLARATION-1).
“It is an Article of Faith that we obey the laws of the country”
The apostles said that they had to obey God and not man... Acts 5:29
“The LDS Church does not suggest to Chinese members that they ignore the Chinese laws regarding how many children each family can have.”
Is that where mormons ge the idea that abortion is OK ??? Exodus 21:22-25, Proverbs 6:16, 17
“It respects those laws, unless God demands obedience to his law OVER man’s laws”
Which laws would they be ??? do mormons get to pick and choice as the occassion fits ?? Exodus 20:1-20, Hebrews 11:23-27
“It’s hardly novel that God “dumbs down” his laws to accommodate the weakness of men”
God NEVER fits His laws to man..He sets the rules and expects man to obey them ...The Ten Commandments are not and never have been The Ten Suggestions..God has never “dumbed down: His word... Matthew 15:2-9, Mark 17:6-13
“Hence the ancient Jews had the Mosaic law as opposed to the higher law given by Christ.”
Jesus never gave us a “law” higher or otherwise..Jesus said that He did not come to overturn the law of the prophets but to fulfill them...Matthew 5:17-20,
If Jesus has a “higher law” then why did the mormons “restore” the Mosaic Law and not that “higher law given by Christ.”
“This God is no less than the U.S. government than he was during the Holocaust. He allows men to govern themselves, and if the law is not essential to man’s salvation then I really don’t think He spends time worrying about it”
God was not concerned about the Holocaust ???God agreed with the slaughter of millions of people ??? Zechariah 2:8, 9 And yet many Christians risked their lives to save the Jews...were the Christians disobeying God ??
“This God”..as opposed to some other god ??? Which god do you speak of ???The God of the Bible called the Jews the apple of His eye and His chosen people...Zechariah 2:8, 9